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Less lying, more exaggeration and hyperbole
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Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga
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Natsu and Suzaku straight up said they have to team up to win. Dogramag verbatim said he doesn't have his full power because he just woke up. It's been stated and shown that he's also the weakest dragon god even when he's at full power, yet no one but other dragon gods could scratch his walls. Unless we find out all of this is wrong, this is a very strong argument and is not "not even remotely confirmed yet." Of course I agree that we should wait to see how this all unfolds.
It hasn't been 100% confirmed, but at this point there's so much more for that argument than there is against it.
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They're supposedly on human Selene's level, yet they need to team up to beat someone who's much weaker than her. They also couldn't scratch the labyrinth even when they were at full health, in fact, nobody could, which includes all of the Dragon Eaters and FT wizards, many of whom are Suzaku's equals. Yet what happened this chapter? Dogramag easily broke his labyrinth with a hand wave, and same goes for human Ignia some chapters ago, and Selene is on par with him so she'd be able to replicate the feat.
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Not really no, there's numerous statements and feats that support Human Form Dragon God level Suzaku
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Aren't all of those statements from Selene, who's proven to be a well-known liar?
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Just because she lies occasionally does not mean everything she says is a lie, you need to prove she was lying when she said what she said
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I know, which is why I brought up a lot of proof in my posts.
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I never took what she said there seriously since then
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Friend made this
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Suzaku is only superior to Selene when using the Abyss, which he has NEVER used in the labyrinth. The same for Natsu, he didn't use any very powerful attacks to try to destroy the walls of the labyrinth.
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Wrong, he did use it in the Labyrinth. He used it against Natsu to try and beat him, and it failed.
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used it against Natsu who had to use the dragon scales and focus all his power on defense to withstand the Abyss.
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Dogramag no diffed the labyrinth, which Natsu and Suzaku couldn't do with named attacks. In fact, they couldn't even scratch it. That alone should be a good indicator that he's above each of them individually. Another evidence is the two dragon slayers saying they need to team up.
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The attack that no diffed the Labyrinth also did jack shit to Natsu and Suzaku, who were point blank in the blast… Your agument is mute, my point is not that Suzaku is stronger than Human Form Dragon Gods, my point is he’s near their level
Natsu and Suzaku also needing to team up against Dogramag is not an Anti-Feat, Natsu and Suzaku literally just saw his Dragon Form and have already taken prior damage, so Natsu and Suzaku are taking his Dragon Form into consideration when they say they need to team up
Besides, Base Natsu and FDKM Natsu before this fight were just barely on Suzaku’s level, with only Dragon Force Natsu being something that is clearly on a Dragon Gods level. And then, Natsu took Dogramag’s rock attack and Suzaku blocked his punch.
Natsu and Suzaku are clearly on level with the Human Form Dragon Gods, but we’re saying it’s a very high diff fight
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Said attack didn't affect the ground they were standing on, it affected everything around it so one could argue that they pushed away by the shockwave of the attack. We've known that fire dragon slayers can control what they burn ever since Natsu's fight with Erigor, so it's not farfetched to say Ignia chose to not aim the full power of his attack on them when his goal was to showcase the difference in strength between him and them. Also, you realize that your argument of Ignia's attack (>>>body heat>>>labyrinth) doing "jack shit" to Suzaku doesn't make much sense since Natsu's attacks (<<<labyrinth) were able to damage Suzaku. Either 100YQ scaling is wack asf, or Selene wasn't trying throughout the ENTIRETY of her fight with Suzaku.
Not really. I've already explained that Dogramag no diffed the labyrinth with a hand wave in his HUMAN form, something which every FT and Diabolos member failed to do with named attacks so far. Many of these characters are those you consider to be on par with human form dragon gods, who are canonically much stronger than Dogramag, so the only explanations are either 1) they aren't actually on par with human dragon gods, or 2) Dogramag is much stronger than before. Anyways, I don't think we should drag this out any further since the future chapters are hopefully going to confirm if Dogramag is stronger than before or not.
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The issue is you're using the Labyrinth as the end all be all for scaling, that's your one point
Literally outside of who can destroy the rocks of the Labyrinth, Suzaku being Human Form Dragon God level is entirely supported
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Because it's a very valid point. By that logic, I can also say you're using Suzaku's fight against Selene, a well known liar and manipulator, as your only point.
Supported by his one fight against Selene, who funny enough was stomping him until she said she wouldn't mind losing to him. Like I said, we should just wait for the future chapters.
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Can anyone calc this for me? Might get us some good scaling for BOS fodders since they could survive/tank it
Yet get one shot by Natsu
Also just a good feat for Lucy
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Yet get one shot by Natsu
Also just a good feat for Lucy
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It's fodder
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How so?
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Not impressive looking at all, the KE of that would be pathetic
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Still fodder mate, that's like at best supersonic speeds
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Boring.
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Beautiful
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he did though, against Natsu In the Labyrinth
last I checked, someone pointed out he didn't use the scales.
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someone here pointed out Natsu didn't use the scales to defend against that attack as it would "make the attack affective against Natsu as it would use magic against it"
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That's... quite literally not the case. He poured all his magic into defense there and even said that if he even used a little of it to attack, he would've been dead.
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he used only a common strike in the maze and then just exchanged blows with Natsu, so no, Suzaku at no time used an Abyss-level strike against the labyrinth.
he used the scales yes, Natsu was reacting to Suzaku's movements and adding scales where his blows would hit him.
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FTFY
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No, someone literally said that he didn’t use any magic to defend despite that he would need to use scales to defend against his attack
He countered one of Natsu’s strongest attacks which did not even destroyed the walls of the labyrinth, so by scaling, his abyss would not work, those scales were against his standard attacks
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Back on Friday my buddy and I were discussin in VC
7 Fire Dragons Natsu ( me ) vs Ignia Form Natsu ( him )
Which form was stronger
For now I still have 7 Fire Dragons stronger since I still have ROST Acno above the DG but I am slowly coming around to it and it further helps the DG>=ROST Acno arguments more cause he made good points
- So we both agreed it's obviously stronger than his Savage Dragon Fire Form since it's the only other form in the series which ever BURNED EVEN HIMSELF and far worse than his SDFM did
- But his strongest point was probably the fact he showed why it's above any transformation or power up he's ever used prior. The fact it forced his body to undergo such a physical change which no other transformation ( bar his Dragonization in Dragon Cry ) has ever done
- Also the fact it caused him to go into a mindless berserker state from the sheer power of the FRACTION of his own power Ignia granted him, something that has NEVER happened to Natsu before simply from the magic power of his transformations. Not Dragon Force, not Igneel Mark and certainly not even 7 Fire Dragons
So basically it came down to
Human Ignia>>>Ignia Form Natsu>>>7 Fire Dragons Natsu>=ROST Human Acnologia
What do yall think?
7 Fire Dragons Natsu ( me ) vs Ignia Form Natsu ( him )
Which form was stronger
For now I still have 7 Fire Dragons stronger since I still have ROST Acno above the DG but I am slowly coming around to it and it further helps the DG>=ROST Acno arguments more cause he made good points
- So we both agreed it's obviously stronger than his Savage Dragon Fire Form since it's the only other form in the series which ever BURNED EVEN HIMSELF and far worse than his SDFM did
- But his strongest point was probably the fact he showed why it's above any transformation or power up he's ever used prior. The fact it forced his body to undergo such a physical change which no other transformation ( bar his Dragonization in Dragon Cry ) has ever done
- Also the fact it caused him to go into a mindless berserker state from the sheer power of the FRACTION of his own power Ignia granted him, something that has NEVER happened to Natsu before simply from the magic power of his transformations. Not Dragon Force, not Igneel Mark and certainly not even 7 Fire Dragons
So basically it came down to
Human Ignia>>>Ignia Form Natsu>>>7 Fire Dragons Natsu>=ROST Human Acnologia
What do yall think?
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That is far too speculative. Yes, it's one of Natsu's few physical transformations and it's one of two forms that has made him go berserk (the other being END), but it's far too much of a leap in logic to assume it's because of its power rather than some other factor.
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Far too speculative, especially because of how the powers were transferred
Ignia's Power was aquired through directly eating it
Seven Fire Dragons Mode was aquired through Wendy enchanting the power into him
Very different methods of aquiring the power, so comparing them is a bit sus
As for the fact that it made his mind go berserk, same thing happened with END Form, which is much weaker, it's mainly down to the nature of the power. Ignia is an evil ************ while the 6 Dragon Slayers are all good
So Seven Fire Dragons Mode is likely stronger as of this moment
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