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Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga
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I see your point, I Don’t recall a Fu-Reiju blog
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those who find themselves foolish enough to believe in you go to sleep knowing this sentiment will be wasted. the only gift your presence ever gives to those naive fools is the prize of disappointment
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So how about that airplane food, am I right guys?
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Apparently your taste buds are diluted/dampened by the high altitude, which in turn make it seem as if the food as less flavor.
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I don't know.
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Here is an article: https://aerocorner.com/blog/why-is-airplane-food-so-bad/
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Not Airfrance, trust me, I was on an Air France flight to Israel one time, and the food was actually pretty good!
The chicken looked nasty but tasted good, and the tiramusu tasted good too!
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Why would Selene lie? The whole point of Suzaku vs Selene is to establish they’re comparable… I mean Natsu and Suzaku took minimal damage from Ignia’s point blank attack
Also there’s literally nothing that has Irene and August above the DDSK
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You are literally Deceived, L sadly
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Also, her making Gajeel strong enough to box with a weakened Dragon Aldo doesn't mean it was because her magic power is that strong, Gajeel's strength came from his size, which Brandish can control. She didn't instill her magic power in him, she just used her ability to make him super large.
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Being a High Enchanter is based on skill, not raw power
For example, Erza’s stronger than Wendy, but has far less skilled Enchantments
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She’s weaker than X792 Base Natsu, with X793 Base Gajeel matching an even stronger Base Natsu
She just amped Gajeel to be stronger than normal, big Brandish wouldn’t be as strong as big Gajeel
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Irene>Human Form Dragon Gods is cap, no matter how ya look at itUh no Irene was specifically praising Wendy's magic power when saying she had become high enchanter class. Wendy wasn't even the one that performed these enchants so how would Irene be praising her skill? Irene was saying that Wendy had enough MP to support these enchants which made her high enchanter class.
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How can Brandish be above base Natsu if a weaker base Natsu two shot someone amped to be even stronger than her? This argument doesn't pan out. Regarding Selene lying, I doubt she would have sent the DDK on their quest if they were significantly weaker than her. So not only does her lying about one thing not necessarily mean she was lying about the other, Brandish's MP being the thing to make Gajeel so strong doesn't make sense either given she made him as big as her magic would allow, and she didn't seem all that tired afterwards, implying the act of making someone big isn't linked to her power, its an ability.
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No not really, because regardless of statements, Suzaku still beat her Human Form in a direct 1v1 scenario… Which is then supported by Irene’s statement and also how he tanked an attack from Human Form Ignia. I’m also like 99% sure he’s about to have some feats against Dragon Form Ignia or Selene.
Bruh, what on earth are you talking about? FDKM Natsu could deal 1 point of damage to Aldoron while Brandish’s magic just flat out didn’t work against him. Brandish’s gigantification is a huge stat boost to whoever it is used on. It’s very much like Wendy using Enchantments on people. Wendy wouldn’t scale to Natsu just because she can buff him several times stronger than normal. Also a year has passed and it’s entirely possible that Brandish flat out got stronger. I mean the Oracion Seis and Makarov got stronger passively by sitting on their asses, so I wouldn’t be surprised, that’s just how power creep works.
I take Irene’s statement as meaning that Wendy now has the skill to be a High Enchanter, but even if it’s power based, I can agree that Base Wendy is only Base Irene level and “At most 5-B” is capUh no Irene was specifically praising Wendy's magic power when saying she had become high enchanter class. Wendy wasn't even the one that performed these enchants so how would Irene be praising her skill? Irene was saying that Wendy had enough MP to support these enchants which made her high enchanter class.
I can agree to that, I mean anything to make DragonGamer seethe
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So Brandish's MP making Gajeel strong doesn't work because her MP is already lower than his because this base Gajeel is equal to current base Natsu, who is stronger than the base Natsu who two shot a Neinhart amped by Irene to be so strong Brandish couldn't do anything to him. So that would mean Giant Gajeel's power came from his size, because the way he got big compared to Aldo getting big is different. Gajeel got big because of her ability to gigantify, not swelling with magic power over the course of hundreds of years like Aldo did. The context of each one getting big is completely different, so using the argument of comparison doesn't pan out. As Mitch said, Wendy can enchant Natsu to be several times stronger, that doesn't mean she herself is several times stronger than he is.
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Suzaku straight up asks 'did you throw the fight to get close to us', and she says no, I am no match for you in my human form, then stomps Georg to establish dominance. Those are the sequence of events. Nothing implies she is lying about this particular statement.
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It’s just Selene and Ignia fans coping with how DDSK’s are Human Dragon God level and losing to people like Wendy and Erza
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Although I am confused as to how Ignia could blow up the walls but someone supposedly stronger than him could not.
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Enhanced Neinhart is stronger than Brandish, Base Natsu is stronger than Enhanced Neinhart and beat him with two punches
X792 Spriggans are fodder. I don’t agree with your Brandish take, but even if it was correct, it just means Brandish got stronger over a year. Crazier things have happened
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Could just be a heat thing and not strictly a power based thing and that’s how hot Ignia is
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No, Selene making the moon big was specifically mentioned as being a consequence of her magic power with it flooding the dimensions. No such statement has been made for Brandish and the way she makes people big or small. If anything it seems to bypass dura or magic power due to her effected Natsu who was stronger than her.
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Natsu was holding back against Jacob in the guild hall and was clearly able to damage him with his blows. Him using FDKM was to showcase he can use that ability on his own. Natsu was going overboard most likely, given him evaporating the lake. And Natsu wasn't all that riled up against Neinhart, just determined, so there is nothing concrete to wave this off as FoE
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Jacob>Enhanced Neinhart>Brandish
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But how about, say, Base Natsu vs Base Erza?
Or other people on a similar power level?
Like 2 Brandish-Tier Spriggans?
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Base Natsu downscales from his FDKM that could fight and take attacks from Suzaku. His base blows were still able to damage Suzaku. Base Erza has no feats against against anyone of that caliber, as she needed to use her strongest armors to fight Misaki. So currently Natsu is stronger base to base. Base Erza<Base Natsu<Strongest Armors Erza<FDKM Natsu<CHC+ High Enchant Erza<<<<<< DF + FDKM Natsu
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Everyone always brings up the Igneel’s arm thing. First of all, that’s complete PIS considering that power was ******* up Base Zeref, who’s massively above Brandish. That scene was clearly just false hype Hiro used for Spriggans, but it’s very clearly shown without that power, Natsu was above most Spriggans and could fight them with just his own power
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Aldo was massively stronger compared to Brandish as opposed to the gap between Natsu and her. Given the gaps between them we know of, this suggests her magic isn't tied to her MP, and it take someone WAY above her for it to not work. Just like with END moving in stopped time possibly being because he was just hilariously stronger than Dimiria.
Also using the argument of the damage done to the surrounding area as evidence for someone's strength doesn't work. FH Zeref and SFOE Natsu's fist clash didn't even destroy the guild hall. And again, you can't wave his feat against Neinhart away as FOE given FOE only activated when he is super worked up, and his general attitude towards Neinhart was annoyance and 'this dude needs to get out of our way'. Even Brandish told Natsu to not fight him, implying he was above her in that moment.
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Also, the context of Selene making the moon big boils down to a raw power feat, her raw magic made the moon big in response, not her casting a spell the specifically makes the moon big. Brandish having that much raw power doesn't work because we know for a fact who scales above her. We also know because of that her magic can work on people stronger than her, to a certain degree, which in turn means it isn't tied to her raw magic power. You pointing out it not working on Aldo only backs up the point of it working on those with higher magic power has a limit. This Selene and Brandish comparison isn't a very well fed point, because Brandish's magic specifically makes things bigger, and because of that they get stronger. We know this because her magic power wouldn't be enough to amp Gajeel to fight Aldo. We know this is different from the other abilities because she is making people stronger than herself bigger, which is perfectly consistent with what we know about her magic.
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Already addressed the first part, secondly him not going all out in base against Jacob can work with his surge of strength against Neinhart, he merely stopped holding back. Gray vs Invel happening at the same time is just story. So it's still consistent. There is no discrepancy, Natsu didn't want to damage the guild hall, and him using FDKM was him showing off that he can still use it on his own. His surge of power is Natsu getting serious, as his demeanor implies. Every other time Natsu uses FoE, there is a huge outburst of anger, here there was not. His behavior is consistent when he uses FoE, his his attitude against Neinhart does not fit the bill. Besides, Natsu was conserving strength to fight Zeref and Acnologia.
And still, its possible Jacob is just stronger than Brandish and Neinhart, so Natsu using FDKM doesn't effect anything scaling wise against Brandish because he was fighting a weaker opponent.
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How big Brandish made Gajeel scales to her yes, but how strong Gajeel is while he is that big does not
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So if Brandish was stronger, than she could probably make Gajeel even bigger than previously. But this is the same as Wendy being able to cast stronger enchantments the stronger she gets. If Brandish is a 1, she could make things a 10 with her gigantification. Doesn't mean she is a 10.
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Except he does go on to beat the Spriggans in base. I already went through with him holding back in base in the guild hall can work with his performance against Neinhart. Once again, this example your giving proves the point, she can amplify someone's abilities by making them big. Also base Gajeel is stronger than her, and tougher too, so she would probably do much worse even if Aldo wasn't a dragon. She would do less damage because the thing that is being amplified is weaker. Gajeel is a 2 that becomes a twenty, she is a one that would become a 10.
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Dude it is 12:30 am, I'm too tired to be the front line of defense against Spriggan wankers. Can we pick this up in the morning?
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Once again, Brandish making Gajeel big =/= Scaling to the feats that Gajeel's performs
Also once again, Irene is never stated to be above Wendy
Base Wendy is said to be the High Enchanter, not DF Wendy
Also once again, Irene is never stated to be above Wendy
Base Wendy is said to be the High Enchanter, not DF Wendy
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I've already run through these points. Selene making the moon big was a result of her getting a little serious, with her raw magic power flooding the dimensions. Natsu holding back in base against Jacob can work as I have outlined previously. It didn't need to be noted, we watch Natsu stomp two Spriggans on screen. Nothing implies that FDKM attack Natsu used was his full power, it seemed pretty casual. Don't be sarcastic, you are already grasping as it is, being snarky won't help your credibility. He was conserving his strength by not using DF.
I am more than happy to address any further arguments you have in the morning, unless someone else wants to take over.
The Spriggans aren't very relevant, a majority of them they got off screened and one-shot by weaker FT members.
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