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The purpose of this thread is to show that Dan Watters claim on Lucifer being the Great Darkness should not be as controversial as it seems.
Evidences have already been brought forward in the thread below, but did not address the seeming contradictions, such as the Great Darkness description in Swamp Thing #49, in which Zatara described the Great Darkness as being "more than Satan", emphasizing the disctinciton between these two figures. Thus, this thread will address this misconception in particular.
The thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/upside-down-man-great-evil-beast-revisions.112716/
As the various evidences show, the depiction of figures from the Sphere of the Gods depend on the context of the belief system, including Lucifer, supported by the evidence in the Sandman when Lucifer asked to Cain if he knew who was the Cainites, part of a Gnostic belief system in which the Universe was created by a Demiurge figure, which one of the names identified with this figure is "Samael". Interesting knowing that Mike Carey introduced this gnosticism when he was in charge of writing Lucifer, as he used the name "Samael" to identify Lucifer, in addition to the fact that Mike Carey's Lucifer was involved in the creation of the Universe.
Note the fact that Yaldabaoth, one of the other names of the Demiurge, was introduced as a later aspect of the Snake Which Created the World, in the Dreaming #10.
There is another evidence in the Spectre, in which there is an interesting discussion between the Spectre and Lucifer, because Lucifer is aware of the different belief systems around him, but doesn't care how he's depicted in the context of these belief systems.
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Therefore, Dan Watters unifying Lucifer and the Great Darkness is supported by the lore, in particular the function of belief allowing, roughly speaking, figures to become whoever (mainly other figures with common characteristics).
Evidences have already been brought forward in the thread below, but did not address the seeming contradictions, such as the Great Darkness description in Swamp Thing #49, in which Zatara described the Great Darkness as being "more than Satan", emphasizing the disctinciton between these two figures. Thus, this thread will address this misconception in particular.
The thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/upside-down-man-great-evil-beast-revisions.112716/
As the various evidences show, the depiction of figures from the Sphere of the Gods depend on the context of the belief system, including Lucifer, supported by the evidence in the Sandman when Lucifer asked to Cain if he knew who was the Cainites, part of a Gnostic belief system in which the Universe was created by a Demiurge figure, which one of the names identified with this figure is "Samael". Interesting knowing that Mike Carey introduced this gnosticism when he was in charge of writing Lucifer, as he used the name "Samael" to identify Lucifer, in addition to the fact that Mike Carey's Lucifer was involved in the creation of the Universe.
Note the fact that Yaldabaoth, one of the other names of the Demiurge, was introduced as a later aspect of the Snake Which Created the World, in the Dreaming #10.
There is another evidence in the Spectre, in which there is an interesting discussion between the Spectre and Lucifer, because Lucifer is aware of the different belief systems around him, but doesn't care how he's depicted in the context of these belief systems.
[1] [2]
Therefore, Dan Watters unifying Lucifer and the Great Darkness is supported by the lore, in particular the function of belief allowing, roughly speaking, figures to become whoever (mainly other figures with common characteristics).
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