Elden Ring General Discussion

[Chariot190]

No, but it's kinds critical character stuff.
The english version completely butchered her intent, goals and the end result.

Might have some vs wiki implications but nothing much, just like, actual interesting lore shit.

I'm going to say everyone in this thread is obligated to watch that for future reference, though do to0 the existence of taht, I'm gonna go over the japanese text dump eventually, because if they ****** up a major character like that, ya never know what else could be suspect.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Would the likes of Alexander and Blaidd scale to Raddahn as they can be summoned to combat him?

 

[Chariot190]

Would the likes of Alexander and Blaidd scale to Raddahn as they can be summoned to combat him?

Alexander says he got hit once, almost died, and hid so not him.
And Blaidd was like "oh ****" when he dropped a meteor.

Alexander is a hard no, Blaidd idk if he can or can't yet, need more info, discussion and more, also depends how strong Black Knives are, given he killed two so he upscales off them so how strong they are would effect him.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

You forgot one thing: Ranni

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I have a feeling that this is a clickbait video

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I heard the "...and then along came Zeus" in the Hercules movie song voice.

 

[Chariot190]

I have a feeling that this is a clickbait video

Well, it isnt.
There was some actual mistranslations, which resulted in some of her lore and stuff being lost in translation, or things added that weren't there before, changing the intent behind some things.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I have a feeling that this is a clickbait video

It isn't

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Alexander says he got hit once, almost died, and hid so not him.
And Blaidd was like "oh ****" when he dropped a meteor.

Alexander is a hard no, Blaidd idk if he can or can't yet, need more info, discussion and more, also depends how strong Black Knives are, given he killed two so he upscales off them so how strong they are would effect him.

To be frank, you do have to fight Blaidd after beating Radahn. And you also fight Alexander later on from what I'm reading.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Well, it isnt.
There was some actual mistranslations, which resulted in some of her lore and stuff being lost in translation, or things added that weren't there before, changing the intent behind some things.

Oh thank god

 

[ObberGobb]

Maybe Blaidd could get something like "Unknown, at most [Radahn Tier]". That is if there is even a profile for him at all.

 

[M3X_2.0]

No one should scale to Radahn

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

No one should scale to Radahn

Didn't we fold him? Malenia was also in a stalemate against him.

 

[Chariot190]

To be frank, you do have to fight Blaidd after beating Radahn. And you also fight Alexander later on from what I'm reading.

Yeah, but for all we know you kick Blaidd's ass, and Alexander literally states himself, Radahn hit him once, broke him, his insides started spilling, and he hid like a coward unlike you, the cool Tarnished, though he does imply he will get stronger, so he might need two keys, but even if he gets stronger, it doesn't mean much if Tarnished stomped him still.

Blaidd could scale, or he could not, hard to tell given he thought the meteor was some shit and wondered why Radahn didn't whip shit like that out, implying he doesn't scale.

Maybe Blaidd could get something like "Unknown, at most [Radahn Tier]". That is if there is even a profile for him at all.

There isn't a profile for anyone yet, but he'll get one, I've got like 40m worth of clips for his ass.

 

[M3X_2.0]

We fought Radahn, so did a bunch of random dudes that wont scale either. As for Malenia, we literally saw the fight happening in the cinematic, it took a couple of second and she realized she couldnt beat him without aids

 

[AnAverageUsername]

So is Radahn just top dog in all cases besides the Greater Will and entities like that?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Besides end game Tarnished, Elden Beast and Radagon, yeah

 

[Chariot190]

Hoarah Loux probably up there too. Especially when Radahn's dream was to be as great a warrior as him (it's why Radahn has a lion motiff even). And i think Radagon and Loux fought too? Maybe?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Alexander also got stronger after the Radahn fight.

 

[SheevShezarrine]

There's no clearly defined tier 2. Outer Gods are Unknown at best due to their ambiguous nature and will probably not get profiles.

The Elden Lord dragon "living outside of time" is not immeasurable for the same reason Dark Souls dragons are not immeasurable. Just because they came from a place with no time, it doesn't mean they move faster than it.

Was existing in a timeless space ever Immeasurable? I've been here since the tail end of 2015 and the only rating for such a thing I've ever seen was Infinite on account of them moving while T=0

Fortunately it means pretty good time stop resistance at least

 

[SheevShezarrine]

I've been here since the tail end of 2015

Oh God, I've been here for 6 and a half years

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Oh God, I've been here for 6 and a half years

L

 

[SheevShezarrine]

Alexander also got stronger after the Radahn fight.

Yeah from eating battlefield corpses
Potbro lowkey ****** up

 

[SheevShezarrine]

L

 

[SheevShezarrine]

Far from the worst battleboard site tho tbh, not as many people being weirdly standoffish about what ultimately amounts to grade school playground debates with a side order of high school-level science and English class

 

[ObberGobb]

No one should scale to Radahn

I disagree. Radahn was still holding up the "stars" by the time we fought him. So even if the Tarnished doesn't scale to Prime Radahn at that point, they still definitely scale to that feat. As for Malenia, I think she should downscale. I don't think the few seconds we saw of their fight was the whole thing (although I could be wrong), so she shouldn't be incomparably weaker.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I disagree. Radahn was still holding up the "stars" by the time we fought him. So even if the Tarnished doesn't scale to Prime Radahn at that point, they still definitely scale to that feat. As for Malenia, I think she should downscale. I don't think the few seconds we saw of their fight was the whole thing (although I could be wrong), so she shouldn't be incomparably weaker.

I agree.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I died like, enough for me to not reveal it so I'm gonna say like 15-20 to save face.

42 attempts personally, 67 attempts for my buddy the 12 vigor mage

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

12 vigor

Cringe

 

[Mr. Bambu]

To be frank, you do have to fight Blaidd after beating Radahn. And you also fight Alexander later on from what I'm reading.

Alexander fights you with the intent to die, acknowledging that he is by far your inferior. Alexander has no reason to scale to Radahn or the PC, and I'd say the same for the other summons, too. Blaidd I'm neutral on.

I think it's pretty goofy to say nobody scales to Radahn at all, though. His feats certainly aren't Tier 4 still, but I think minimum other demigods scaling is acceptable, given he isn't stated to be the strongest among them. Within reason, a good amount of bosses should scale. Definitely not the people summoned for him though.

Oh God, I've been here for 6 and a half years

oh ****, me too

 

[Chariot190]

he isn't stated to be the strongest among them.

He literally is tho

 

[Mr. Bambu]

He literally is tho

I'm fairly certain I recall Malenia being stated as such. I don't remember the exact source though she herself says "I have never known defeat", despite fighting Radahn.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I don't think a stalemate counts as a defeat?

 

[Chariot190]

Yeah, she hasn't known defeat, she did "beat" Radahn, but that was with the power of super aids, not pure power (Radahn can shatter her body with grazing blows actually) Radahn is stated a few times to be the actual strongest among DemiGods, flat out multiple times. Even Blaidd goes on record stating he was the strongest among them.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I don't think a stalemate counts as a defeat?

Fair enough. I'd also call attention to the fact that Morgott fought Radahn, and at the very least survived the encounter. I don't think he's as above the rest of the demigods as y'all are saying, is all I mean.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Radahn can shatter her body with grazing blows actually

Where is this from?

 

[SheevShezarrine]

Where is this from?

A trailer scene of their fight where her prosthetic arm gets absolutely rekt by a grazing hit from Radahn

 

[Chariot190]

Where is this from?

Cinematic trailer, he struck her arm and completely shattered it.

Mal I think is comparable tho, weaker, but within the same tier, her exact tier would be dependent on what Radahn gets tho.
Either way, she's not as strong as Radahn, but her AP and durability, albeit to a lower degree, would still be within the same tier ,it depends what Radahn ends up at, if he ends up 4-A via star sky shit, they'd straight up be 4-A given how deep into it they'd be (Whether it's from him or someone else, if someone else, he'd upscale a bit instead).

If he ends up tier 7-6, that is when the calculated value matters, for example, if Radahn ends up baseline 7-A, she'd probably downscale to 7-B+ durability and at most 7-A AP, same if he ends up baseline 6-C or 7-B+, etc, if the calc ends up being close to a baseline there'd be downscaling to just beneath it, of course if he ends up like just below a tier, they'd downscale but still be the same tier as him, given being a few times weaker would still be the same tier. All this was just examples fyi, I'm running my ideas here how we could maybe factor in the scaling.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

That's not really her body, though. That's something on her, not Malenia herself. I'd also note Radahn's fight with Malenia didn't include her second phase, unless I missed that somewhere.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That's not really her body, though. That's something on her, not Malenia herself. I'd also note Radahn's fight with Malenia didn't include her second phase, unless I missed that somewhere.

Yeah, the cinematic only showed her base form.

Cinematic trailer, he struck her arm and completely shattered it.

Tbf, it was a prosthetic and not her actual body