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Elden Ring General Discussion

Thiag125 said:
Also, Morgott wanted to become Elden Lord didn't he? Does that mean he wanted to marry his own mom?
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Don't think so. His whole thing is protecting the erdtree so no one becomes lord(see him beating up us and Radahn) as for the second bit, it's why I like to joke that the shattering is a war to see who gets to marry mom
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
Is this really a thing or is this a joke btw?
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sometimes I go back to the Nightreign trailer just to hear Morgoatts voice lines they go hard AF. I know it's pretty much confirmed to be his Margit self/moveset but one side of me really hopes that at one point maybe he can be fought as Morgott. With his hyper-fast moves and combo chains made even faster to keep up with the player. Fights with the deflector hero and him would go incredibly hard. Not as hard as when blue Radahn is revealed as the final boss tho
 
I just wonder what kind of arsenal each class will have, especially the Recluse and the Duchess, who or what the Night King will be and what the lore of the story will be
 
Rikimarox2 said:
I don't know how this guy hasn't gone insane yet.

But god damn is it entertaining to watch. Dude is trying to do NG 1000 (Uncapped, ie it's not like original where it stops scaling health after 7), and hitless. Actual insanity, but it's fun. It's also hilarious seeing him watch motivational videos before every hard boss.
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Setting your mind on a goal usually helps you not go hollow
 
Can't wait for him to finish it🙏

Dude already did NG +1000 for the DLC, and my god I think he died 300-600 times to Radahn alone.

Also gave an interesting thing about the dlc, blackflame is like, 33% as effective compared to base game.
 
Night reign network test registrations are coming soon and I hope I can get in. I really want to see what it's like myself.

Also I'd like to put some notice on the "elden ring" of night reign.
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On the JP network test registration you can see night reigns "elden ring". First of clearly it's blue. Maybe it doesn't mean anything and it just goes with the games night motif. But it could also imply that the very order of the world changed to make what's happening in night reign happen. Would explain alot. The erd tree also seems to become white from what's been seen. Which could add to the whole order of the world being screwed up. Especially if it's color changes to reflect the order of the world like in the other endings.

Next and which is most intriguing is that there's this weird pattern on the center ring that forms an arc within the ring. What does this mean. Does it imply corruption of some kind? There's also a glow behind the center ring with a noticeable hot point. Which recalls the imagery of an eclipse. The glow could just be more play into the night obscuring gold motif but still it might be important.

the titular "Elden ring" of an elden ring game is looking weird and I'm really curious where they're gonna go with this.
 
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Hey y'all, so I started work on the Elden Ring home page again. I'm just wondering if y'all have thoughts on how characters should be displayed in factions. Do you think characters should be put in factions based on who they currently work for, or factions based on their origin? For example, Jerren and Rellana are both Carian warriors, but both also ended up working for different factions, so where should they be put?
 
Chritin said:
Hey y'all, so I started work on the Elden Ring home page again. I'm just wondering if y'all have thoughts on how characters should be displayed in factions. Do you think characters should be put in factions based on who they currently work for, or factions based on their origin? For example, Jerren and Rellana are both Carian warriors, but both also ended up working for different factions, so where should they be put?
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I think they should be put in where they end up. Since that's where they most likely currently align with. Take Rellana for example, she completely disavows her birth right as a carian princess to work for messmer. So she may fight like a carrian but she's firmly in the messmer camp. So I'd classify her in the messmer faction.
 
These are all the factions/races I plan on trying to add by the way

  • Albinaurics
  • Beasts
  • Mohgwyn Dynasty (I could also lump in the Bloodfiends and have this be a formless mother faction)
  • Carian Royal Family
  • Chaos Followers
  • Followers of Godfrey (Crucible Knights and Tarnished)
  • Demi-Humans
  • Fire Giants (Includes the fire giant, trolls, and fire monks)
  • God Hunt
  • Hornsent
  • The Royal Houses (Hoslow, Marais, and maybe I could lump the Carians in here too)
  • Lleyndell (includes the Golden Order and Dragon Cult)
  • Miquella's Followers/Haligtree Warriors
  • Nightfarers (in preparation for Nightreign)
  • Nox
  • Redmanes
  • Recusants/the Volcano Manor
  • Stormveil
  • Servants of Death
  • Ancient Dragons
  • Drakes
  • False Dragons
 
Latin_Rhythms said:
I think they should be put in where they end up. Since that's where they most likely currently align with. Take Rellana for example, she completely disavows her birth right as a carian princess to work for messmer. So she may fight like a carrian but she's firmly in the messmer camp. So I'd classify her in the messmer faction.
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This. Also, I think the spirits can be part of a category of their own
 
Chritin said:
These are all the factions/races I plan on trying to add by the way

  • Albinaurics
  • Beasts
  • Mohgwyn Dynasty (I could also lump in the Bloodfiends and have this be a formless mother faction)
  • Carian Royal Family
  • Chaos Followers
  • Followers of Godfrey (Crucible Knights and Tarnished)
  • Demi-Humans
  • Fire Giants (Includes the fire giant, trolls, and fire monks)
  • God Hunt
  • Hornsent
  • The Royal Houses (Hoslow, Marais, and maybe I could lump the Carians in here too)
  • Lleyndell (includes the Golden Order and Dragon Cult)
  • Miquella's Followers/Haligtree Warriors
  • Nightfarers (in preparation for Nightreign)
  • Nox
  • Redmanes
  • Recusants/the Volcano Manor
  • Stormveil
  • Servants of Death
  • Ancient Dragons
  • Drakes
  • False Dragons
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A bit too much for me. I think we can go for simpler stuff. For examples, we can combine dragons, drakes and false dragons together for one section. Nightfarers and the Tarnished can be mixed in a single protagonists list. Hornsent can be put in the Miquella's Forces (which would include Malenia of course). A Round Table group should be made while the Crucible Knight would be in a Golden Order list with Marika, Godfrey, Radagon, Morgott, etc.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
A bit too much for me. I think we can go for simpler stuff. For examples, we can combine dragons, drakes and false dragons together for one section. Nightfarers and the Tarnished can be mixed in a single protagonists list. Hornsent can be put in the Miquella's Forces (which would include Malenia of course). A Round Table group should be made while the Crucible Knight would be in a Golden Order list with Marika, Godfrey, Radagon, Morgott, etc.
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We separate Dragons on orger pages like the DS page, so I don’t see a reason why we couldn’t split them here as well. Nightfarers as far as we know are n turkey unique from the Tarnished and a separate group of people. The Tarnished we play as I might move into his own section, but h currently he’s under the tab of lords. Some of Miquella’s followers will be in separate faction spots (for example I considered putting Freyja with the other Redmanes, Ansbach with Mohg, Thiollier with St Trina and the putrescent knight, etc), but ig the ones that stay loyal to Miquella in the end like Freyja, Moore, and The Hornsent can stay with him. There is a tab for the warriors of Godfrey (the crucible knights, roundtable, etc), but Marika, Radagon, and Morgott are going into tabs for Gods, Lords, and Demigods respectively.
 
Chritin said:
We separate Dragons on orger pages like the DS page, so I don’t see a reason why we couldn’t split them here as well. Nightfarers as far as we know are n turkey unique from the Tarnished and a separate group of people. The Tarnished we play as I might move into his own section, but h currently he’s under the tab of lords. Some of Miquella’s followers will be in separate faction spots (for example I considered putting Freyja with the other Redmanes, Ansbach with Mohg, Thiollier with St Trina and the putrescent knight, etc), but ig the ones that stay loyal to Miquella in the end like Freyja, Moore, and The Hornsent can stay with him. There is a tab for the warriors of Godfrey (the crucible knights, roundtable, etc), but Marika, Radagon, and Morgott are going into tabs for Gods, Lords, and Demigods respectively.
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I just feel too many categories might make the page a bit confusing
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
Do Redmane, Cleanrot and Crucible Knights downscale/scale to Tier 4?
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Most likely (at least clean rot knights since we know they could hurt Radahn from the story trailer and visuals)
, although idk about crucible knights. Devonia can fight a near end of DLC tarnished though.
ArkhamDC06 said:
I just feel too many categories might make the page a bit confusing
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I’m trying not to make it confusing, but there’s a lot in this game.
 
Chritin said:
Most likely (at least clean rot knights since we know they could hurt Radahn from the story trailer and visuals)
, although idk about crucible knights. Devonia can fight a near end of DLC tarnished though.
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Devona doesn't seem to be particulary exceptional as far as Crucible Knights count, at least in terms of strength or raw power, still the longest-serving, so they should all be relatively equal to each other
Chritin said:
I’m trying not to make it confusing, but there’s a lot in this game.
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True
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Devona doesn't seem to be particulary exceptional as far as Crucible Knights count, at least in terms of strength or raw power, still the longest-serving, so they should all be relatively equal to each other
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I fee like she’s definitely depicted to be the strongest. Not only do we fight her later than most, if not all crucible knights (particularly post Mohg and Messmer), but she has a unique weapon and set of crucible incantations. I think it’s pretty obvious she’s made out to be superior to the rest.
 
I'm thinking of making Radahn CRT soon with his promised consort hax. What do y'all think about this? I'm also looking for any other hax that may not be obvious (like a rage boost since we see him do something like that in his transition, but honestly I'm not sure)

  • Blood Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Explosion Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, and Status Effect Inducement (Can interact with the formless mother and use bloodflame)
  • Holy Manipulation and Light Manipulation (Can use the light of Miquella in his attacks)
  • Afterimage Creation (can create after images of himself made of light for many attacks)
  • Resistances for any new resistances he has for his consort version
  • Limited Rot Resistance for base Radahn (His great rune took on a vast amount of the damage from Malenia's scarlet rot)

Also looking at both Mohg and Radahn's page there are a few things I want to mention that we should remove.

  • Electricity Manipulation on Radahn (his "electricity" attacks are just lightning waves that visually look like electricity)
  • Duplication on Mohg (we don't know if he made the copy of himself in the shunning grounds, and even have more evidence that it was Morgott)
  • Empowerment on Mohg (no clue what this is referring to)
  • Since he already has statistics amplification off lord of blood's exultation)
  • Expert Manipulator on Mohg (I think this hsould just be normal social influencing off of being able convince others to join his side. He's far from a master manipulator, especially when a vast majority of his plan was orchestrated by Miquella. If anything, Radahn deserves this more than him.)
 
Chritin said:
I'm thinking of making Radahn CRT soon with his promised consort hax. What do y'all think about this? I'm also looking for any other hax that may not be obvious (like a rage boost since we see him do something like that in his transition, but honestly I'm not sure)
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That sounds good to me. On a related note, I think we should revise his first tier 4 rating, as Ser said. I agree with his assessment that if we are to consider the star statement as real, then we shouldn't use the meteor count for the no. of stars he held back. Since we are all in agreement that all of the stuff in the cutscenes are meteors and not actual stars.

Maybe we could find a statistic on how many stars on average can be seen in the night star and calc how much power Radahn outputs to hold them all back or something like that. Although it might be hard to get it to go through considering the air around Radahn and the star stuff.
 
Latin_Rhythms said:
That sounds good to me. On a related note, I think we should revise his first tier 4 rating, as Ser said. I agree with his assessment that if we are to consider the star statement as real, then we shouldn't use the meteor count for the no. of stars he held back. Since we are all in agreement that all of the stuff in the cutscenes are meteors and not actual stars.

Maybe we could find a statistic on how many stars on average can be seen in the night star and calc how much power Radahn outputs to hold them all back or something like that. Although it might be hard to get it to go through considering the air around Radahn and the star stuff.
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I like this idea, and I think it would be pretty easy since the calc for making a dimension with a starry sky has a similar statistic (I believe it’s 2500?). Running some quick numbers though, this puts Radahn’s feat BARELY bellow 4-B at 1.42325e+45 joules, as opposed to the 2.923e+45 joules needed for 4-B

Also, ANOTHER Radahn side note, but I think his name on the wiki should be changed to “General Radahn”, since Starscourge Radahn really only refers to his rotted/shattering self. General Radahn i feel would be more fitting for his overall character name.
 
Chritin said:
I'm thinking of making Radahn CRT soon with his promised consort hax. What do y'all think about this? I'm also looking for any other hax that may not be obvious (like a rage boost since we see him do something like that in his transition, but honestly I'm not sure)

  • Blood Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Explosion Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, and Status Effect Inducement (Can interact with the formless mother and use bloodflame)
  • Holy Manipulation and Light Manipulation (Can use the light of Miquella in his attacks)
  • Afterimage Creation (can create after images of himself made of light for many attacks)
  • Resistances for any new resistances he has for his consort version
  • Limited Rot Resistance for base Radahn (His great rune took on a vast amount of the damage from Malenia's scarlet rot)

Also looking at both Mohg and Radahn's page there are a few things I want to mention that we should remove.

  • Electricity Manipulation on Radahn (his "electricity" attacks are just lightning waves that visually look like electricity)
  • Duplication on Mohg (we don't know if he made the copy of himself in the shunning grounds, and even have more evidence that it was Morgott)
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Morgott has no advance knowledge of Blood Incantations and the duplicate uses Mohg's own basic moves which are all far more developped than the few blood attacks Morgott displays in his second/desperate phase (you even get one of Mohg's personal incantations for beating him) so to me, it's pretty obvious it was created by Mohg

Chritin said:
  • especially when a vast majority of his plan was orchestrated by Miquella
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While I do agree he should have basic SI, nothing in the DLC suggests Miquella was behind most of Mohg's plan. Mohg started his cult before Miquella since Ansbach himself was one of them before the charm happened and the lore states he encountered the Formless Mother and learned blood from her in his childhood, so long before he met Miquella. Miquella is the reason why Mohg became infatuated with him but his armies existed before

The rest, I agree with everything. Also, who's going to be dealing with Miquella the Trap, Brainwasher of the Sus?
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Morgott has no advance knowledge of Blood Incantations and the duplicate uses Mohg's own basic moves which are all far more developped than the few blood attacks Morgott displays in his second/desperate phase (you even get one of Mohg's personal incantations for beating him) so to me, it's pretty obvious it was created by Mohg
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I guess that makes more sense. Granted Morgott does know a fair bit about bloodflams considering the fact he actively suppresses his use of it and can even use it in phase 2 of his fight. I think it would still be good if we put it as “possibly” since we quite literally know nothing about Mohg the Omen and why tf he’s in the sewer.

ArkhamDC06 said:
While I do agree he should have basic SI, nothing in the DLC suggests Miquella was behind most of Mohg's plan. Mohg started his cult before Miquella since Ansbach himself was one of them before the charm happened and the lore states he encountered the Formless Mother and learned blood from her in his childhood, so long before he met Miquella. Miquella is the reason why Mohg became infatuated with him but his armies existed before

The rest, I agree with everything. Also, who's going to be dealing with Miquella the Trap, Brainwasher of the Sus?
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Sounds good. Most if not all the Shardbearers deserve basic Social influencing anyways. Also I started on Miquella yesterday. TL;DR, he’s busted (Layered Incorporeality, Acausality, crazy mind hax)
 
I might cook some cosmology additions soon 👀 (I might find a way to actuslize what the Primeaval Current, the Various Moon, and the Blood Star are)
 
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