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Except you can if your causality/fate manip also works outside the system
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Edelweiss coming for that spot baby.
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In no point does it say Type 4 exists completely outside causality, it simply says they work on a different system that makes regular Causality Manipulation fail. So you simply have to also be able to affect the irregular system as well for it to work.
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Though regardless, if what's been said is correct then the Duck has resistance from a 4-D irregular Causality system, which is beyond Edelweiss even if she could affect another Desperado.
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Aren't all Desperado's on the same system though? Hence why they should be able to affect one another's fate even with them having a different system of fate than most others?
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Does he? All i remember was "irregular acausality" not "acausality beyond irregular 4D acausality".
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@Firephoenixearl
Desperados are type 4 because they trascend fate
yet Edel's thing works on them, which shows they still have a fate, so they don't trascenf it
Desperados are type 4 because they trascend fate
yet Edel's thing works on them, which shows they still have a fate, so they don't trascenf it
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Because they don't transcend fate as a concept. Honestly no different from the "transcends time and space" not being 1-A by default.
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except Edel's fate maipulation is not conceptual, so they are being affected by something they supposely should be outside of
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<Conceptual fate manip
Yeah alright.
And no, you don't need conceptual fate manip (whatever that is and wherever you got that from) to affect a type 4. You just need to be capable of affecting the system of causality they exist on.
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... How would conceptual fate hax even work? also, we have a character with fatehax that works on Type 5 Acausals
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except they supposedly exist outside the system of causality of the verse
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Just like how the concept of space and time work, it's the idea of fate/higher order oject that project a shadow down ito reality if plato
also, Desperados are specifically written as existing outside of causality/fate, so what everything said doesn't apply here
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... Except it does. It's literally what he explained.
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Idk if you're trying really hard to try and downgrade at this point or truly don't get it.
If it's the latter, think of how it's normal to assume souls can interact with souls even though humans can't.
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Not really seeing what's so crazy about Fate Haxing someone with Type 4 (Hell, even Digimon has done this) when we have shit like Time Stopping High 1-As, Erasing characters with NEP, etc, etc in fiction.
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In no point does it say Type 4 exists completely outside causality, it simply says they work on a different system that makes regular Causality Manipulation fail. So you simply have to also be able to affect the irregular system as well for it to work.
@Firephoenixearl
that exemple very much doesn't work, as it would be more like trying to matter hax something not made of matter or space-time hax something outside of space-time
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Time stopping High 1-A beings is not a thing, people just missuderstand Ren's law, which is Stagnation/Stillness, not time stop
Erasing nonexistant characters is Non-Existance Erasure, which is pretty much a separate power from normal EE
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That would be if they transcend the concept of causality. Which desperados don't.
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again, no, that would matter only if Edel manipulated the very concept of fate, but she doesn't, so she would be manipulating just normal fate, something that they supposently shouldn't be bound by and be above to
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Dude there is no such thing as "the concept of fate" any type of fate manip is "manipulating the concept".
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Also you're only beyond causality if you're beyond it entirely (type 5). Again same thing as beyond time. Higher D time manip can still affect people who are stated to be "beyond time". Cus we don't assume that people who are beyond time are beyond the concept of time. And you don't need conceptual time manip or whatever you may think you need to affect those.
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I would love for Overlord to make a thread about this subject because we do have multiple examples of Type 4s being affected by fatehax across the wiki, such as in Digimon, Sonic, DC, etc. So this isn't a Rakudai only thing.
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I mean, the rakudai CRT seems to be concluded too, so you can make it.
