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I was fine with that statement, the mountain lifting is something we can work with. I was pointing out the flaw with Enceladus shaking Mt. Diablo specifically.Piper did say that giants could throw mountains
7B to 7-A/mhs-mhs+/Class T stats. We just need to iron out some calc details and then get them evaluated.So what are the conclusions/agreements here so far?
This seems to have been discussed to death, and we've copied a calc from the OBD that pegs this feat at 58.6 exatons/s. I don't know if it was ever accepted, but High 4-C is invalid FRA. Given the ferocity of the debate about this, I suggest we make a discussion rule about this feat not being tier 4.On the subject of constellation feats for AP, I think it's pretty clear upon analysis of the mechanics of the verse that they aren't literally creating stars. The Artemis feat is explicitly her not creating them, as she merely emphasized existing stars to present an image. There's also a clear division in-universe between the celestial bodies in the universe and the representations in the supernatural world. Apollo, Ra, and their relationship with the sun make that pretty clear. Apollo himself states that all the stars and planets exist and operate independently of his (or any god's) involvement. So they obviously aren't creations of any of those gods.
That is a calc from 2017 that was never even accepted. The least that can be done is to update the feat with a new calcThis seems to have been discussed to death, and we've copied a calc from the OBD that pegs this feat at 58.6 exatons/s. I don't know if it was ever accepted, but High 4-C is invalid FRA. Given the ferocity of the debate about this, I suggest we make a discussion rule about this feat not being tier 4.
Was it explicitly rejected? If not, we should get calc group members to see if it's valid first before we try a recalc.That is a calc from 2017 that was never even accepted. The least that can be done is to update the feat with a new calc
It's more because it was calced in Naruto forums and it doesn't hold in the wiki standards. The calcer there simply copied their calc and posted it here.Was it explicitly rejected? If not, we should get calc group members to see if it's valid first before we try a recalc.
They literally do. Constellations not only relate to myth in similar ways (there are several myths about the formation of constellations), but Apollo says that all the planets and stars operate regardless of the gods' involvement.I don’t think u can just assume every celestial body in the verse follows the human ideation logic. The sun and stuff are different because of long established myths, but the constellations don’t share that trait
Yeah, the constellation feats aren't tier 4. It's already been explained to death in this thread, which is why I want a discussion rule against mentioning them again. How much staff input is needed for that?They literally do. Constellations not only relate to myth in similar ways (there are several myths about the formation of constellations), but Apollo says that all the planets and stars operate regardless of the gods' involvement.
Ask for that in this thread.I need a calc group member to evaluate the 3 calcs
High Hypersonic Percy, 7-A Jason, Class P Giants
Nothing on the same level. Besides Leo's fire magic scaling above Khione's freezing rain feat. We could probably upscale them from Magicians though, someone like Sadie probably isn't much more durable than the average demigod. That could probably give us something in tier 8 at least.Are there any feats of scaling to the lower level 7 other than backscaling from Percy?
There's this really strange idea that stabbing somebody makes you scale to them that I see popping up in the thread. But unless you have an instance of them actually matching/surpassing these characters in strength then there's no reason to give them the same AP as them.Leo is tier 7 with machines at least for harming Enceladus. He also fought against Clytius with a bunch of the Seven before Hecate joined them. Other demigods in the fight included Jason, Hazel, Frank, Nico and Piper who all have tier 7 scaling.
Piper harmed Mimas with Piper even making him stumble with one of her attacks, Piper also managed to make Enceladus lose his grip on Percy by nailing him in the head with her dagger though that could be more so just shock. She also 1v1’d Periboia (because Aphrodite’s contribution was just rose petals).
Annabeth also harmed Mimas along with Piper, fought Periboia before Piper took over, harming her with dagger and I think her sword. Killed Enceladus with Athena’s help.
I’d need to reread BoO to be sure.
Basically Percy = Jason ~ Enceladus >~ Piper, Leo and Annabeth at various points in time.
I mean the idea of stabbing = scaling is a thing on this wiki in general. Bladed weapons aren’t exactly dura neg; a 9-C character shouldn’t be able to stab a 7-A characterThere's this really strange idea that stabbing somebody makes you scale to them that I see popping up in the thread. But unless you have an instance of them actually matching/surpassing these characters in strength then there's no reason to give them the same AP as them.
I feel like the demigods should have lower than class T considering they struggle a lot with things way lighterAnyways looks like we’re deleting:
6-C/High Hypersonic+/Class E
and we’re shifting over to
7-B/Massively Hypersonic+/Class T
Well maybe they shouldn't. Piercing durability is a thing, especially for this verse, where the tier 7 characters can canonically be harmed by regular bullets and arrows. Unless handguns are tier 7 now? And that's not even touching upon the properties Celestial Bronze/Imperial Gold have against supernatural entities, which make it even less of a matter of the character's AP vs the target's overall durability.I mean the idea of stabbing = scaling is a thing on this wiki in general. Bladed weapons aren’t exactly dura neg; a 9-C character shouldn’t be able to stab a 7-A character
You also have Piper staggering Enceladus by nailing him in the head with the base of her dagger
Her strength is not comparable to Luke lol. Percy is far above Annabeth and so is Luke, that's something pretty clearly established. Even in that scene Percy says it's her skill that allows her to catch Luke's blade like that. And then, while losing the struggle, Annabeth says that Luke is holding back Kronos from using his full strength. And when Kronos actually pushed on her guard, it broke her arm. Do we scale people to getting their arms broken by losing blade clashes?Annabeth would also directly scale to the value as she can clash blades with Kronos/Luke, meaning that their strength is comparable
Celestial bronze weapons have dura neg though, no?I mean the idea of stabbing = scaling is a thing on this wiki in general. Bladed weapons aren’t exactly dura neg; a 9-C character shouldn’t be able to stab a 7-A character
Maybe with the weaker demigods, but people like Percy, Jason, and etc can clash with the giants who are capable of lifting and throwing mountainsI feel like the demigods should have lower than class T considering they struggle a lot with things way lighter
Yeah but Percy struggles with that too.Maybe with the weaker demigods, but people like Percy, Jason, and etc can clash with the giants who are capable of lifting and throwing mountains
"Look out!" Grover yelped. The archway crumbled. I looked up in time to see a twenty-ton scowling
Hera topple over on us. Annabeth and I would've been flattened, but Thalia shoved us from behind and
we landed just out of danger.
"Thalia!" Grover cried.
When the dust cleared and the mountain stopped rocking, we found her still alive, but her legs were
pinned under the statue.
We tried desperately to move it, but it would've taken several Cyclopes. When we tried to pull Thalia
out from under it, she yelled in pain.
Pretty sure it's only Percy and Jason who should get that rating. Idk who else you had in mind.Maybe with the weaker demigods, but people like Percy, Jason, and etc can clash with the giants who are capable of lifting and throwing mountains
They do. Not to mention that Celestial Bronze (and Imperial Gold) can harm monsters, god and demigods all the sameCelestial bronze weapons have dura neg though, no?
Frank scales because he’s noted to be the strongest physically of the 7Pretty sure it's only Percy and Jason who should get that rating. Idk who else you had in mind.
Nico should downscale from Percy and Thalia, as he was still able to fight alongside them against Iaptus. Clarisse is also physically stronger than Percy (or at least she was). Reyna also have some impressive featsFrank scales because he’s noted to be the strongest physically of the 7
I think Thalia scales as well since she’s pretty much comparable to Jason
There are a few anti feats here and there but the demigods can consistently clash with giants and titans, who have far higher featsYeah but Percy struggles with that too.
Nico downscaling is fine, Clarisse shouldn’t scale since he’s only stronger than BOS Percy, who does not scale to Class T. Reyna can scale I’m not sureNico should downscale from Percy and Thalia, as he was still able to fight alongside them against Iaptus. Clarisse is also physically stronger than Percy (or at least she was). Reyna also have some impressive feats
I can agree with Frank being the same as Percy and Jason.Frank scales because he’s noted to be the strongest physically of the 7
I think Thalia scales as well since she’s pretty much comparable to Jason
Didn't Clarisse soloed the Drakon though? And I'm pretty sure Clarisse fought with Percy later tooThere are a few anti feats here and there but the demigods can consistently clash with giants and titans, who have far higher feats
Nico downscaling is fine, Clarisse shouldn’t scale since he’s only stronger than BOS Percy, who does not scale to Class T. Reyna can scale I’m not sure
Thalia clashed with Luke and was overpowering him then. She was also presented as being on par with PercyIs Thalia ever presented as being Jason's physical equal? I feel like at best they're comparable in the overall sense.
Her defeating the Drakon doesn’t necessarily mean she scales; unless she grappled it or something. Not sure about Clarisse fighting with Percy but if she clashes with him she can scaleDidn't Clarisse soloed the Drakon though? And I'm pretty sure Clarisse fought with Percy later too
Clarisse soloed the drakon by breaking her spear and releasing it's electrical energy into it's eye.Didn't Clarisse soloed the Drakon though? And I'm pretty sure Clarisse fought with Percy later too
Wasn't that through the use of his powers? He summoned a spire that caused a tremor.Nico also has his own feat of collapsing a castle, which can scale to the weaker demigods. Not sure what that will yield but maybe in the Class M range