Dreams of an Overlord (Metal Overlord Tiering CRT)

[Eden_Warlock99]

The Emeralds which have variable power and thus make this not the most reliable thing in the world... Yeah ok

Something something,

He knows how strong they are, he knows how strong MO has become. He's having doubts because MO is so powerful that the power he's aware in regards to the Emerald's, he doesn't believe they can secure a victory as MO is simply that strong now.

They win, but that doesn't mean he was proven wrong, he says the chance was small, they could have, and likely did based on the actual info given by the media, fell within the chance. If the argument is "the chance he was talking about was the slim chance they gained power on the higher end of the spectrum based on what he's aware of", it'd still scale because that would mean they did hit that power (otherwise they would have lost per the wording and this interpretation), in which MO is still a threat to them and doesn't go down instantly while they're at that power. MO can also harm himself so it isn't just a durability thing.

We've exhausted all possible angles/arguments around this, certainly feel like there's nothing left to discuss.

 

[CloverDragon03]

"He knows" Based on what? Am I supposed to just take that at face value and be like "yeah I'll accept this statement with no evidence"? No, of course not

Also the Chaos Emeralds being above the Precioustone doesn't exactly work either when he booked it to Maginaryworld to try getting it once he learned about it. Why would he bother if he could just go after the Emeralds?

 

[Omegabronic]

Yeah pipe down with that "ignore" nonsense, it's gone in both directions of "upscaling from the Precioustone directly" and "Chaos Emeralds > Precioustone"

And neither argument is exactly ironclad

You said a wrong thing about the argument being made, i made a post clarifying the argument in question, and you didn't answered nor acknowledged it... therefore it isn't "nonsense", you factually ignored it completely, that is not an accusation... it is just an observation of something you factually did

Is Eggman infallible?

No, Sonic beats him many times, not relevant here tho

Is he able to sense power?

He had the Emeralds in his possesion and actively used them, and he is the one who made Metal Sonic to begin with, is never said to be proven wrong in the actual boss fight, and the character comment on how hard fighting Metal Overlord is, unless you can prove Eggman wrong... doubting him about his own creations capabilities is when nothing ever proves him wrong is... meh?

Does he even know about the variable nature of their power?

Yes? He has Data on the Perfect Chaos incident where that was a major plotpoint? He has them and analysed them enough to do complex techniques like Chaos Control?

Plus, again, they being variable or not is irrelevant for the argument... i already explained why, i won't repeat myself once more

Answer quickly

Nah, will answer in my pace

and wow, 9 pages... yeah, will start a draft for yet another thread and ask this one to be closed... truly can't see this moving forward

 

[Omegabronic]

"He knows" Based on what? Am I supposed to just take that at face value and be like "yeah I'll accept this statement with no evidence"? No, of course not

Also the Chaos Emeralds being above the Precioustone doesn't exactly work either when he booked it to Maginaryworld to try getting it once he learned about it. Why would he bother if he could just go after the Emeralds?

I dunno, why did he go after the Dark Rings, the Phantom Ruby and the Wisps when the Emeralds are literally >>>>>> All of those?

Also... you know the Emeralds are very hard to acquire right? that is a major plotpoint in the Classic and Adventure Era

also also, you do know he would need to see what the Precioustone can do before saying if it is or isn't stronger than the Emeralds right? It was something new, he decided to check it out, him seeing them as Superior after he saw what it can do and not instantly believing it superior before he even went to Maginary World is... basic logic

 

[Chariot190]

Metal Overlord facing them down and he's just gonna let him get the thing? No, it's obvious that Metal Overlord only can't be defeated by anything Eggman could think up at the moment. Whereas they have the Chaos Emeralds basically on standby atm

Yeah ok literally proved my point. What are you talking about?

"It's obvious", no it ain't, if it was so obvious there wouldn't be a whole 3 month CRT. Like it or not, what you think is obvious, evidently isn't the case, not withstanding the argument you're currently presenting not only has nothing to do any argument for MO's rating, but isn't even something said or framed for in that very scene.

They have the Chaos Emeralds on standby? Yep. And that's literally all that's needed.

Why you're bringing up Precioustone and the Maginaryworld is beyond me as if the argument was "Eggman says nothing he could ever get is likely able to beat him", when the argument for literal months has been "Eggman thinks Chaos Emeralds > Precioustone. Eggman thinks MO is so powerful that the Chaos Emeralds might not be able to beat him".

You need to prove Eggman doesn't think the CE is above the Shuffle slop despite the evidence on the contrary, atop of the fact he was quite literally there for all of Shuffle, hell he's even on the final board as it all goes down. If Eggman thinks CE>Shuffle, and he thinks MO~CE, based on his current knowledge, ergo.

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

This argument has been going on forever. I think an agreement just needs to be made already. At this point, it's becoming cyclic and dull.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

This argument has been going on forever. I think an agreement just needs to be made already. At this point, it's becoming cyclic and dull.

Majority agrees with keeping 1-C for Metal Overlord.

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

Majority agrees with keeping 1-C for Metal Overlord.

Yeah, I just don't know why this is even an argument anymore. Feels like arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. That arguing really could be done in either DMs or Gen Chat if yall wanna see a flood in there.