Dragon Ball's Earth: A wide planet full of wonders

[omegabronic]

a new calc for the size of Dragon Ball's Earth was recently accepted, putting the Planet at a little over twice the size of our IRL Earth, now this could potentially affect several calcs involving all the other planets in the verse due to statements of Earth being considered a "Small Planet"(Not going to link it here since i want to save that discussion for another time)

As far as i know, our standards to accept such a thing comes from this thread or at least they are listed there, honestly should be officially put on a rule page or something, but whatever

Evidence​

So going over them:

The planet does not sharply resemble Real Life Earth.

Well, i dunno by "sharply" similar ish vegetation at least, but a completely different geography, and very unique civilization and fauna, so maybe?

There are canonical measurements/references of measurement that don't require calculation stacking.

Yep, the entire basis of the calc is a verbatim stated distance between two places

There is little to no counterevidence or antifeats as to the planet's size.

as far as i know, there isn't

There are legitimate reasons to believe the planet may be larger beyond the calculation itself.

Examples of this can vary from confirmation from the author, suggestion or statements from characters in-verse, or features resembling that of later planets (such as rings around the planet).

"Yep, the entire basis of the calc is a verbatim stated distance between two places"......part 2

There are limited anti-feats regarding the planet's size, such as defying physics that would come with a planet of such size.

As far as i remember, yeah

The planet does not directly resemble our planet Earth, and thus, can be assumed to be of different size.

Don't know about directly, but it is very different in a lot of aspects, down to its very geography, so......i guess?

The planet calculation is consistent with any other shots or models of the planet in the verse.

Pretty sure this is the only map model ever used by the series in any media whatsoever......so yes i think

Conclusion​

The planet seems to fit the criteria for it being bigger than our IRL Earth via the calculation, so now discuss, be civil, grab a sunday and let's begin this

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[omegabronic]

aaaaannnnd i hit Enter by accident.....shit, give me one sec

 

[Dalesean027]

Following and okay

 

[omegabronic]

done, we can begin for real now

 

[Qawsedf234]

Afaik you can't do a map calc like that, not because it's wrong but because of distortion that happens when you translate 3D to 2D. So going diagonal like that would give you a bloated number if it's a map based on the equator as an example.

 

[omegabronic]

Afaik you can't do a map calc like that, not because it's wrong but because of distortion that happens when you translate 3D to 2D. So going diagonal like that would give you a bloated number if it's a map based on the equator as an example.

i mean, if that is the problem then surely there is a way to correct said distortion, right?

 

[CloverDragon03]

Afaik you can't do a map calc like that, not because it's wrong but because of distortion that happens when you translate 3D to 2D. So going diagonal like that would give you a bloated number if it's a map based on the equator as an example.

That's kinda why you do circumference instead of diameter for that diagonal line. Also, there is a precedent for accepting these sorts of calcs, so I don't necessarily see the issue

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Only anti feat I can see is that the distance from the earth to the moon is about the same as the IRL

 

[omegabronic]

Only anti feat I can see is that the distance from the earth to the moon is about the same as the IRL

dunno if that would be a problem? i can't think how that could be a problem at least

 

[CloverDragon03]

Only anti feat I can see is that the distance from the earth to the moon is about the same as the IRL

I'm not even sure if that's an anti-feat tbh, considering that moons can be closer or further from a planet (namely in the case of planets with multiple moons). The DB Earth evidently doesn't resemble ours

 

[Qawsedf234]

problem then surely there is a way to correct said distortion, right

You just go left to right along the equator rather than diagonal.

That's kinda why you do circumference instead of diameter for that diagonal line. Also, there is a precedent for accepting these sorts of calcs, so I don't necessarily see the issue

The top and the bottom of the map is basically smudged from what I understand of most map projections, so they look larger than they are. The most accurate visual is at the equator. So it would be drawing a horizontal line rather than a diagonal.

The only issue I have with the calc other than that is going from the conner of the base rather than the center since its just an artistic representation of the location rather than a base that's like 50 kilometers in diameter.

 

[Ednaxel2]

I will stay neutral for now since there might be issues with the scaling of it's size that Qawsed pointed out, would this also affect the size of the moon or no?

 

[CloverDragon03]

The top and the bottom of the map is basically smudged from what I understand of most map projections, so they look larger than they are. The most accurate visual is at the equator. So it would be drawing a horizontal line rather than a diagonal.

The only issue I have with the calc other than that is going from the conner of the base rather than the center since its just an artistic representation of the location rather than a base that's like 50 kilometers in diameter.

I'm okay with making these edits if necessary (like, if enough CGMs and staff overall agree), but personally I don't exactly agree with these two things (namely the first one, the second one idrc as much). My main reasons are:

• For the first point, that's the first I'm hearing of that (though admittedly I don't really study or even care for geography to begin with). That being said, I feel like DBZ Kakarot's map supports the use of a diagonal line given how it arguably makes the planet appear much bigger
• For the second point, I mainly did that since in the scan where the 2300 km statement is made, Tao and the RR goons were closer to the edge of the base.

 

[Jason_Courne]

Only anti feat I can see is that the distance from the earth to the moon is about the same as the IRL

IIRC, calculating the Moon's size using that distance actually got it way bigger than the real thing

 

[omegabronic]

would this also affect the size of the moon or no?

no

 

[CloverDragon03]

The thing is that the Earth has in-universe justification for it being larger. The Moon, not so much...

 

[Qawsedf234]

For the first point, that's the first I'm hearing of that (though admittedly I don't really study or even care for geography to begin with).

That's just a flaw with 2D map projection it makes things at the top and bottom look much bigger while the center remains close to actual. This site shows an example and you can use this site to drag around countries as well

 

[CloverDragon03]

I see. Again, I don't mind adjusting this to use a horizontal line if deemed necessary (though I wonder if Kakarot's map is worth considering).

 

[omegabronic]

I see. Again, I don't mind adjusting this to use a horizontal line if deemed necessary (though I wonder if Kakarot's map is worth considering).

maybe use that map instead as it shows more of the planet? as of this thread we can use Kakarot information if it doesn't contradict the main canon, and in this case, i think that it supports it

 

[Phsccarvalho]

though I wonder if Kakarot's map is worth considering

It has recently been accepted that some information from Kakarot is canonical, but I don't know if this extends to the map in the sense of having the correct proportions, that curvature and blah blah I don't know.

 

[CloverDragon03]

If Kakarot's map is deemed acceptable to use, I'm fine with it

 

[KingTempest]

The evidence is extremely lackluster, full of a bunch of "I guess"es.

For the one you linked (One Piece planet), there was a gargantuan amount of evidence showing that the planet was different. Climate, geography, ridiculous sizes, etc.

For this, the planet resembles earth although the islands are different. There's several references to the real world (mainly in OG Dragon Ball) and not much other than futuristic tech and dinos, which makes it seem like a futuristic earth.

On top of that, the statements of the sizes in the planet contradict each other.

1. Red Ribbon Army's HQ to Korin's Tower is 2,300 km
2. Satan City to Gohan's house is 1,000 km (said again here)
3. The Kame House to Goku's landing site is > 10,000 km
4. The Android Landing Spot is 9 km from South City/South Capital

But when you look at them here, you see that distance 2 is larger than distance 1 (basically 1,000 km > 2,300 km), distance 4 is around the same size as distance 1, and distance 3 isn't 10x that of distance 2 (so less than 10km).

I'm not too sure of trying to calculate the size of the planet with some of these distances unless there's a group of the distances that are accepted and some that are declined.

 

[CloverDragon03]

For the one you linked (One Piece planet), there was a gargantuan amount of evidence showing that the planet was different. Climate, geography, ridiculous sizes, etc.

Tbf I don't think Omega was using that as a point of comparison, but rather, just pulling from what seems to be the requirements for a planet to qualify

 

[KingTempest]

No I know, but it just shows how much is needed to accept a new planet. Cause that had tons of evidence and barely worked

 

[CloverDragon03]

Anyways, not too sure what to make of the contradictory distances. Like, the 10,000 km one is at least fine since it's vaguely above that value, so it could be anything really. However, that doesn't really say anything about the 9 km and 1,000 km ones. Personally, I'd say that the 1000, 2300, and 10000 km statements when used with the map make it fairly clear that DB's Earth is bigger than our own. That being said, I can't deny the self-contradictory nature of these statements.

 

[KingTempest]

New distance, new map

I think the 9 km is scrappable

 

[GarrixianXD]

Yeah, maps are wacky as hell and they should never be used for actual geographical scaling.

 

[Jaakor48]

Only anti feat I can see is that the distance from the earth to the moon is about the same as the IRL

That's not an anti feat, quite the opposite actually , it simply means the moon, would be bigger as well and it's

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Isn't the moon distance WoG fake?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm neutral but leaning towards this being a rather iffy method for calculating the planet size.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Seems reasonable

 

[Qawsedf234]

Isn't the moon distance WoG fake?

No, it's from interviews in the DB manga that Akira included and then stopped doing.

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

There are legitimate reasons to believe the planet may be larger beyond the calculation itself.

There isn't.

The entire Solar System of Dragon Ball is based off our IRL one, so why wouldn't Earth be the same? The only difference one could point out between IRL Earth and DB Earth is culture, and how the land is shaped, which is entirely irrelevant to planet size. So there is no actual difference here.

The fact the moon is said to be as far as our IRL moon also shows the intention of being similar to our Earth as well. This is lackluster and honestly you guys don't have anything other than the calc itself, which isn't evidence by itself.
I'd also like to point out that the basis for the calc also ISN'T evidence for a larger planet, as distances and sizes can be inaccurately portrayed, as @KingTempest exemplified earlier.

Therefore, there is absolutely ZERO EVIDENCE for a larger Earth and SEVERAL IMPLICATIONS that it's the same as our Earth. Furthermore, unlike One Piece, there is no story reason to make Earth that big, why would Toriyama do this? There are a collection of guides that discuss the DB Earth and none of them dive into detail about it's size, something that would be quite relevant if that was the intention.

 

[Damage3245]

I 100% disagree with changing the size of the planet.

 

[Hasty12345]

I disagree FRA

 

[Maizesoup]

Also disagree for reasons above. One extra thing that's only relevant in this specific situation if we're talking about the Moon's distance is that the Moon would orbit the Earth from further away if the latter was more massive, assuming it takes the same amount of time to orbit around it

 

[AerrowStorm1]

Another point against it is the Daizenshuu #4 literally states the Living Universe is supposed to resemble our reality

 

[CloverDragon03]

“It’s the only portion of the DB world that even remotely resembles reality, being based off of the actual universe (or at least the universe as seen in countless sci-fi space operas like Star Wars). As such it consists of countless planets, stars, and other celestial bodies.”

This hardly works as an actual counterpoint given that the above is the statement in question. This is just referring to the universe at large, not specifically Earth, and the universe has its own differences given how it’s split into four quadrants.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Isn't the solar system stated to be a galactic nebula? Might be a mistranslation but still

 

[CloverDragon03]

Anyways, I don’t really care about the thread anymore, since the direction it’s going seems quite obvious and this may as well be a foregone conclusion. It is what it is.