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This is strange because Zenos 2-C justification conflicts with this.Goku couldn't teleport to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber because it was in a different dimension during the Buu Saga, but he could teleport to the Otherworld during cell Saga.
No it doesn’t, but let’s not derail.This is strange because Zenos 2-C justification conflicts with this.
But I’ll have to make a separate thread about this later on.
That’s why I said I’d make a thread laterNo it doesn’t, but let’s not derail.
It was a shockwave that originated from a single punch. And it wasn't even meant for the universe, it was just collateral damage. And that alone endangered the entirety of Universe 7 which is much bigger than a regular observable universe. So obviously it wouldn't take that many hits for them to destroy U7. And even with their speed, they'd still have taken a lot of time to destroy trillions of galaxies, especially when they were not even targeting those galaxies, and only fighting on the outskirts of U7.You might object and say "Well, Elder Kai said that at the rate they were going, the universe would be destroyed, so it couldn't possibly be a long time," but the thing is, these characters are way, way beyond the speed of light, so it isn't much of a stretch to claim that they could destroy Universe 7 over a short period of time by attacking each other really fast. Arguably, even Super Perfect Cell could have done so with the power and speed he has.
I agree with you there. It is a vague statement. Him saying he doesn't care about the universe =/= him having the power to destroy the universe. Even if he destroys half of it, it still causes plenty of damage to the universe, enough to be considered as him not caring. Essentially the universe is ****** even if you destroy a large part of it. It is similar to me going "I don't care about this country" and proceed to destroy half of it or a large part of it. Country is still ******.The second scan is somehow even less clear. All that Champa says is that he doesn't care about what happens to the universe he and Beerus are fighting in while they prepare their attacks, which doesn't necessarily indicate that they were going to destroy it all at once. I just don't see how people can get 3-A based on such a vague statement.
IIRC Zamasu was pretty beat up and it would have killed Goku and Co. because they cannot survive in space. But even ignoring that, just because someone said that they can destroy a galaxy doesn't mean that is their limit when earlier showings put the character at a higher level. If current Freeza or Beerus got mad and screamed "I WILL DESTROY THIS ENTIRE PLANET ALONG WITH YOU", you wouldn't say they are planet level at max because they have got higher showings. Sure, it would have worked if they did not have any higher showings earlier. But I get that you were trying to say that the earlier higher showing in this scenario doesn't count, but I already covered that.Basically, it's made clear by these two scans that Fused Zamasu, someone who is objectively leagues beyond the Goku that did the alleged feat, is only capable of blowing up one galaxy at best, as well as that Goku probably cannot survive such an attack.
Same case as Zamasu. I haven't read that chapter yet but something tells me it's about AoE of the explosion, not AP. Again, this would have worked if there was no higher showing.Yet, despite obviously being more powerful than someone who can apparently destroy an entire universe with ease, he doesn't seem to be capable of destroying more than one galaxy, either.
I am neutral regarding this point. Not being able to sustain the form for long doesn't matter when you are still going toe to toe when the form is still active. I guess you're trying to say that Vegeta got weaker due to stamina issues, and while that would explain how he later easily beat Black without assuming a ridiculous power jump and gap between Goku and him, which was rejected in an earlier CRT so it makes more sense, but I don't think it was explicitly pointed out that Vegeta was getting weaker. Neutral on this one.Post-healing Goku Black should not scale to Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta. Both Goku and Vegeta make it a point that neither of them can sustain the full power of Super Saiyan Blue for long, and this is even the entire point behind Vegeta later learning to conserve that power by mainly using Super Saiyan God, then quickly activating Super Saiyan Blue when he attacks.
It is demonstrably more powerful than vanilla Blue as seen in the fight between Goku and Zamasu. IIRC Goku never stood a chance against Zamasu for a simgle moment, full power or not, while in vanilla Blue (might have to check it though), but he was certainly demonstrated in the same ballpark as Zamasu after CSSB.Completed Super Saiyan Blue should not be separated from regular Super Saiyan Blue for indexing purposes. It's explicitly a perfection of Super Saiyan Blue that enables the user to fight with its full power at all times. Nothing suggests that it's magically more powerful than Super Saiyan Blue altogether.
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Wait it is? Then I’m assuming all 4-A shaking universe feats will be upgraded to 3-C?Firstly, shaking the whole universe was recalculated to Galaxy level+, which is far more consistent with the shockwaves actually being a viable threat to the entire universe. This calculation was accepted on numerous occasions by multiple staff and calc group members over the previous Multi-Solar System level version.
This is pure speculation on your part.As for the "Galaxy statements", it is possible, and even likely, that by "galaxy", they are referring to the North Galaxy aka, the Northern Quadrant of the Universe, which is a consistent thing in the entirety of Dragon Ball (I don't have to mention the old "DB universe is only four galaxies wide" mentality, right? Because its the same logic). And so, would be a 3-B feat then, and would be consistent with other feats.
No, the 3-C feat is specifically because Universe 7 is far bigger than the real universe, regular universe shaking remains 4-A.Wait it is? Then I’m assuming all 4-A shaking universe feats will be upgraded to 3-C?
We have like 23+ people Who agree that Chou's 3-A's shouldn't be downgraded.I agree with AKM. 3-A based on THAT is very wrong, so anyone who scales to 3-A should be downgraded accordingly.
It is both in the OP and your own post, so yes, it was discussed here.The GoD 3-A stuff is completely unrelated and I don't think that was even discussed here.
Both AKM and ByAsura seem to disagree with Champa’s “I don’t care what happens to this universe anymore!” statement being 3-A.And that includes Warren and other staff so you can’t ignore it.
There are lots of Calcs which results in the 3-B rating, and most of them are accurate.Actually. The agreement is about not downgrading the 3-B based on galaxy level statements. The GoD 3-A stuff is completely unrelated and I don't think that was even discussed here. But I guess that would require a separate thread.
Not only that, even if it were the same size as our universe, DB's Earth is situated at the far edge of the universe and thus inverse square law would dictate that the punches would need to be even more powerful if it wants to cover the entire universe from the literal edge. Normal 4-A Universe shaking assumes the shaking to occur in the dead center, though Goku did it at the far edges.No, the 3-C feat is specifically because Universe 7 is far bigger than the real universe, regular universe shaking remains 4-A.
However, I will agree that the God of Destruction stuff is shaky. I'm also not a fan of upscaling characters like Zamasu to Multi-Galaxy level+, since the gap between him and Beerus is unknown.