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Going "too far" doesn't mean anything."Aren't they going too far"
They could have perfectly use their 60%-70% for the fight and still say they went too far
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Going "too far" doesn't mean anything."Aren't they going too far"
Because they wanted to test it? Why restrict their ki?Who says that Gods probably didn't control their Ki to lessen the effects of the battle????
And even then, the void isn’t matter, it’s space. Being able to shake it could just mean shaking the arena, since that’s the only thing there that CAN shake. Anything else would just be void manipulation or something, no?Uhhh I know I might be hanged for this but
how wouldn’t this just fall under the DP AP discrepancy? We don’t really have any evidence that they were trying to shake the void to begin with, even if they did go all out. It’s like if you always destroy the planet you’re on while fighting, but the 3-A person you’re fighting doesn’t, it doesn’t actually mean you’re stronger.
Please don’t get mad at me fr, I just want you to elaborate on the logic a bit here.
Where is it explained they aren't suppressed? Also not being suppressed doesn't mean anything. DB characters can go all out and still exercise Ki control.It would be meaningless if i don't explain why
And it was already explained why they weren't Suppressed
The problem for this argument is that since there’s 3 GOD’s, it acts as a kind of mitigating factor against their power being below the output of 2 GOD’s.Going "too far" doesn't mean anything.
They could have perfectly use their 60%-70% for the fight and still say they went too far
My last message before i go (since this was sent before i said that i will go)Where is it explained they aren't suppressed? Also not being suppressed doesn't mean anything. DB characters can go all out and still exercise Ki control.
And how do you know they didn't in this case?The fact beerus and champa don't each time they have clashed
Just because they want to test something doesn't mean they will go all out. We know full well that destruction energy can easily disintegrate the entire stage so they should have been capable of easily nuking it. They obviously tested it within certain restrictions.My last message before i go (since this was sent before i said that i will go)
The fact that they wanted to test the stage is what proves that they didn't restrict their ki, we explained that earlier
You can go "all out" and still control your power/Ki, regardlessThe problem for this argument is that since there’s 3 GOD’s, it acts as a kind of mitigating factor against their power being below the output of 2 GOD’s.
Or put simply, 2 GOD’s going at 100% of their power outputs the same amount of power or less than 3 GOD’s going at 70% of their power.
Exactly, if that was the case Goku would have ended the universe a long time ago, due to the fact that all the fights in Super were between Universal and Universal+ tier charactersYeah no the more I look at this the more I have to disagree
Destructive capacity and Attack Potency have never been the same. It would have to be an actual 2-C structure for this to mean anything, but if the feat isn’t actually a higher tier then destroying more than another character means nothing in db
Exactly, if that was the case Goku would have ended the universe a long time ago, due to the fact that all the fights in Super were between Universal and Universal+ tier characters
Control their ki in what respect. To not affect the WoV at all? Is there evidence to support this assumption because we both directly see them exuding their ki which noticeably shifts the background of the entire area around them as well as the fact that GOD’s are not known for worrying about the world around them, as is the case with Champa and Beerus.You can go "all out" and still control your power/Ki, regardless
̶Y̶o̶u̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶u̶n̶i̶v̶e̶r̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶i̶m̶p̶l̶o̶d̶e̶,̶ ̶d̶o̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶?̶We should honestly just get rid of tier 2 dragon ball to begin with, infinite zamasu just has time manip and there’s nowhere in the series where you can say the characters even got a high 3-A power amp, let alone another level of infinity higher
Dragon ball Z characters are high 4-C but when fighting eachother they just destroy mountains and shit. Does that mean that if I destroy 2 mountains I’m stronger? No. Destruction and AP are not consistent with eachother at all, that’s just how it is.Control their ki in what respect. To not affect the WoV at all? Is there evidence to support this assumption because we both directly see them exuding their ki which noticeably shifts the background of the entire area around them as well as the fact that GOD’s are not known for worrying about the world around them, as is the case with Champa and Beerus.
This would especially be true in an area like the WoV which is timeless and infinite in size so why would they need to be holding out on their power for the WoV’s sake when it’s literally an empty world and they don’t perform this type of ki control in their very own universes.
Even Jiren letting out a little bit of his ki caused the whole WoV to shake but we clearly see that the GOD’s are very much letting out their ki and affecting the WoV around them, so I think this would be a far bigger assumption in regards to the story to make.
By your reasoning, Vegito VS Zamas fight should've destroyed the Universe, but they only destroyed buildings.Control their ki in what respect. To not affect the WoV at all? Is there evidence to support this assumption because we both directly see them exuding their ki which noticeably shifts the background of the entire area around them as well as the fact that GOD’s are not known for worrying about the world around them, as is the case with Champa and Beerus.
This would especially be true in an area like the WoV which is timeless and infinite in size so why would they need to be holding out on their power for the WoV’s sake when it’s literally an empty world and they don’t perform this type of ki control in their very own universes.
Even Jiren letting out a little bit of his ki caused the whole WoV to shake but we clearly see that the GOD’s are very much letting out their ki and affecting the WoV around them, so I think this would be a far bigger assumption in regards to the story to make.
???There's series that go from Tier 5 to Tier 1 after one amp, newsflash, most fictional series don't distinguish infinities between the tiers
This did not address the points brought up because it is a larger assumption to make in regards to the GOD’s. Goku, the same character who has fantastic ki control, when in state all about control and precision to an even greater degree than the GOD’s themselves, still shook the WoV by his power by exuded alone. The same cannot be said about the 3 GOD’s who also noticeably powered up and affected the world around them. Which very much goes in line with how Jiren is said to have surpassed GOD level way way before he even went full power let alone went limit breaker.Dragon ball Z characters are high 4-C but when fighting eachother they just destroy mountains and shit. Does that mean that if I destroy 2 mountains I’m stronger? No. Destruction and AP are not consistent with eachother at all, that’s just how it is.
If there weren’t a discussion rule I’d be destroying you rnThere's series that go from Tier 5 to Tier 1 after one amp, newsflash, most fictional series don't distinguish infinities between the tiers
Just becouse Goku has Ki control, that doesn't mean Gods didn't control their Ki in the exhibition........This did not address the points brought up because it is a larger assumption to make in regards to the GOD’s. Goku, the same character who has fantastic ki control, when in state all about control and precision to an even greater degree than the GOD’s themselves, still shook the WoV by his power by exuded alone. The same cannot be said about the 3 GOD’s who also noticeably powered up and affected the world around them. Which very much goes in line with how Jiren is said to have surpassed GOD level way way before he even went full power let alone went limit breaker.
That is not my reasoning at all, please reread the post. I did not dismiss the notion of ki control being a thing all together. However your notion that the GOD’s are using ki control to protect the WoV from any damages makes less sense and requires a larger assumption than to say not given the nature of GOD’s as well as the area they were in plus how each character, both GOD and not have affected the WoV in regards to their power.By your reasoning, Vegito VS Zamas fight should've destroyed the Universe, but they only destroyed buildings.
Just because the GOD’s have ki control doesn’t mean they were actively using it to protect the WoV from their own power…..Just becouse Goku has Ki control, that doesn't mean Gods didn't control their Ki in the exhibition........
Characters still don’t use their full destructive power like, almost ever. The world of void isn’t a 2-C structure to begin with, are you saying that if they used their full DC they wouldn’t be able to shake it? This is just objectively impossible logic.This did not address the points brought up because it is a larger assumption to make in regards to the GOD’s. Goku, the same character who has fantastic ki control, when in state all about control and precision to an even greater degree than the GOD’s themselves, still shook the WoV by his power by exuded alone. The same cannot be said about the 3 GOD’s who also noticeably powered up and affected the world around them. Which very much goes in line with how Jiren is said to have surpassed GOD level way way before he even went full power let alone went limit breaker.
Clearly when GOD’s fight they are most certainly using very minimal ki control given the very rule about GOD’s fighting in the first place.Characters still don’t use their full destructive power like, almost ever. The world of void isn’t a 2-C structure to begin with, are you saying that if they used their full DC they wouldn’t be able to shake it? This is just objectively impossible logic.
I don't even care about the nuances of Tier 2 Zamasu, I'm just pointing out implying because there's never been an instance of an infinite amp from 3-A to High 3-A showcased in the series, it can not be true. One of the worst things I've heard today and I could list out soo many verses that bridge the gap without an in series mention of an "infinite amp"If there weren’t a discussion rule I’d be destroying you rn
regardless as for this thread’s topic, there is not gonna be any destruction scaling and that seems to be final
It doesn’t have ANY durability, it’s literally not matter, it does not exist, its VOIDClearly when GOD’s fight they are most certainly using very minimal ki control given the very rule about GOD’s fighting in the first place.
Also the WoV doesn’t need to be a 2C structure to have 2C durability, I believe this was brought up earlier in the thread as well.
I’m pretty sure it’s not labeled as an actual void by Vs battle standards though I have to double check. But regardless the entire structure can still clearly be shifted and shook which is the whole point of the argument.It doesn’t have ANY durability, it’s literally not matter, it does not exist, its VOID
Well it’s empty space, idrc about the semantics hereI’m pretty sure it’s not labeled as an actual void by Vs battle standards though I have to double check. But regardless the entire structure can still clearly be shifted and shook which is the whole point of the argument.
Well to shake something infinite in size requires infinite energy to do so…Even if it did have dura, that wouldn’t change the ability to shake it since nobody actually “damaged” the world of void. Even if a character is tier 0, if they only weight 70 pounds you can still lift or shake them if they’re not resisting, which a void (inanimate object (not even an object, it’s a void)) does not do.
Yes that’s what we call a high 3-A featWell to shake something infinite in size requires infinite energy to do so…
DC vs APAlso again regardless because the WoV resisted being shook by the 3 GOD’s clashing but still shook just from Jiren and Goku powering up each.
This is still unrelated to the world of void feat, which is still not 2-CThis is also in line with his Toppo shifted the WoV to an even greater extent than the 3 GOD’s did and also in line with the numerous statements of Jiren being GOD level if not above even while heavily suppressed. Let alone in a limit breaker state. So the notion that they do surpass these 3 GOD’s or the 2 GOD’s destruction feat is supported within the series.
hopes this is satireThe latter most likely, as you’d end up with 2-B SSB Gogeta otherwise
You explained why it doesn’t have dura and then said “so it has some kind of dura”If it's empty space, it's still a spatial structure,so it has some kind of durability.
Basic logic.
There are tons of instances where two characters fighting in DB should have no motivation to preserve their environment but the environmental damage is still much less than what it should have been. DB has never been consistent with its environment damage.However your notion that the GOD’s are using ki control to protect the WoV from any damages makes less sense and requires a larger assumption than to say not given the nature of GOD’s as well as the area they were in plus how each character, both GOD and not have affected the WoV in regards to their power.