Dragon Ball Super - Jiren and Co. Upgrade via Void Scaling

[Sus]

You can't reach 2-B by multipliers, tf

Yeah, idk where they got that from

 

[Rikimarox2]

Wasn't already said that shaking the Wov was only a High 3-A feat?

From what I got from skimming through the thread and OP, thats not the point.

The point was that 3 gods couldn't tickle WoV's *******, meanwhile Goku shook the entire wov itself.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

From what I got from skimming through the thread and OP, thats not the point.

The point was that 3 gods couldn't tickle WoV's *******, meanwhile Goku shook the entire wov itself.

Shouldn't that be Piss then?

3 Gods energy combined is clearly stronger than what UI Goku can afford.

 

[Sus]

Shouldn't that be Piss then?

3 Gods energy combined is clearly stronger than what UI Goku can afford.

Not true judging by events

 

[Darksmash]

I also propose upgrading DB earth to 2-C since it can clearly tank the clashes of these 2-C monsters.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Not true judging by events

Which events?. Mui Goku being stronger than 3 Gods of destruction combined?

Somehow I doubt that.

 

[Sus]

Which events?. Mui Goku being stronger than 3 Gods of destruction combined?

Somehow I doubt that.

Mui goku and jiren were stated a fuckton of times to be stronger than gods...

This merely gives characters a specific tier based on it

 

[Sus]

I also propose upgrading DB earth to 2-C since it can clearly tank the clashes of these 2-C monsters.

The difference is :
1- we know they can fight without causing destruction
2- gods were intending to cause destruction, as they were testing the durability of the stage

 

[Darksmash]

The difference is :
1- we know they can fight without causing destruction
2- gods were intending to cause destruction, as they were testing the durability of the stage

And why would they want to damage the void if they were testing the durability of the stage?

 

[Spinoirr]

Yeah, each time we see GoD fighting one a other it always cases damage around them, like beerus and champa slapping one another was going to destroy two universes

Yet when 3 GoD fight in the wold of void, nothing happend to the void

 

[Sus]

And why would they want to damage the void if they were testing the durability of the stage?

You know.... a durable stage in a weak location? Figure it out yourself

This equivalence is so funny because it clearly not true lmao

 

[Hasty12345]

The difference is :
1- we know they can fight without causing destruction
2- gods were intending to cause destruction, as they were testing the durability of the stage

why couldn't they have just been intending do cause destruction in the area of the stage and thus there's no evidence they were attempting to disturb/effect the WoV?

 

[Darksmash]

You know.... a durable stage in a weak location? Figure it out yourself

This equivalence is so funny because it clearly not true lmao

What? Mind elaborating because your first statement is too vague for me to understand your point.

 

[Purgy]

Is there any actual evidence that the GoD's were going all out?

iirc, they were only testing the stage and finding flaws in it for GP

 

[Sus]

why couldn't they have just been intending do cause destruction in the area of the stage and thus there's no evidence they were attempting to disturb/effect the WoV?

Yeah it makes so much sense to put a durable stage in a not-durable universe

 

[Hasty12345]

Yeah it makes so much sense to put a durable stage in a not-durable universe

they're not in a universe, they're in a void of nothingness of unquantifiable size.

 

[Sus]

Is there any actual evidence that the GoD's were going all out?

To impress zeno + were stated to have gone too far

What? Mind elaborating because your first statement is too vague for me to understand your point.

It makes 0 sense for them to test the stage while leaving the void itself

 

[Sus]

they're not in a universe, they're in a void of nothingness of unquantifiable size.

I know, didn't know what word to use, though

 

[Hasty12345]

We wouldn't be arguing this if the profiles were just correctly scaled to 2-C based on the Beerus-Champa feat given the site standards and currently accepted cosmology

 

[Godernet]

I also propose upgrading DB earth to 2-C since it can clearly tank the clashes of these 2-C monsters.

That’s just Ki control. Besides we’ve seen Kid Buu and Base RoF Frieza destroy the planet so unless we think they’re both 2C or the DB Earth is getting Zenkai boosts. I doubt it.

 

[Darksmash]

It makes 0 sense for them to test the stage while leaving the void itself

Because their task wasn't to test the void? If you are asked to test the durability of a window would you also check the surrounding walls?

 

[Darksmash]

That’s just Ki control. Besides we’ve seen Kid Buu and Base RoF Frieza destroy the planet so unless we think they’re both 2C or the DB Earth is getting Zenkai boosts. I doubt it.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Mui goku and jiren were stated a fuckton of times to be stronger than gods...

This merely gives characters a specific tier based on it

Are we really sure about it?
We haven't seen Beerus at 100% or any other G.O.D......
How can we be so sure about that? , Just becouse an statement?

Statements< Feats. Unless we see Goku taking on 3 Gods at once, then the statement could be true.

We should pick these statements with a grain of salt. Becouse Beerus powers keeps being upgraded constantly.


Also, no to mention the contradictions Super has.

For example:

Future SS2 Trunks was portrayed weaker while training with Vegeta in the present. SSB Vegeta knock him out.
But then, in the Future, somehow SS2 Trunks is able to trade blows with SSR Goku black, stop an attack of his with his bare hand.

And even, he was able to not only trade good blows with Future Zamasu (Who was comparable to SSB Goku from the black saga). He also was able to land pretty solid hits on the latter, making him drool.....

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Is there any actual evidence that the GoD's were going all out?

Exactly

 

[Hasty12345]

Because their task wasn't to test the void? If you are asked to test the durability of a window would you also check the surrounding walls?

Yes.

 

[Spinoirr]

Yeah, each time we see GoD fighting one a other it always cases damage around them, like beerus and champa slapping one another was going to destroy two universes

Yet when 3 GoD fight in the wold of void, nothing happend to the void

Again, two GoD fighting is against the rules due to them casually fighting destroying two universes but the WoV wasn't affected by this fight even when they were serious because Zeno wanted them to test the durability of the ring

 

[Darksmash]

Yes.

You ain't getting paid extra.

 

[BOEGVELD]

Agree with CRT.

 

[Sus]

Are we really sure about it?
We haven't seen Beerus at 100% or any other G.O.D......
How can we be so sure about that? , Just becouse an statement?

Statements< Feats. Unless we see Goku taking on 3 Gods at once, then the statement could be true.

We should pick these statements with a grain of salt. Becouse Beerus powers keeps being upgraded constantly.


Also, no to mention the contradictions Super has.

For example:

Future SS2 Trunks was portrayed weaker while training with Vegeta in the present. SSB Vegeta knock him out.
But then, in the Future, somehow SS2 Trunks is able to trade blows with SSR Goku black, stop an attack of his with his bare hand.

And even, he was able to not only trade good blows with Future Zamasu (Who was comparable to SSB Goku from the black saga). He also was able to land pretty solid hits on the latter, making him drool.....

It was stated by whis and even gods themselves and we have discussed that so many times before

If you think gods are still superior, make your own crt

That’s just Ki control. Besides we’ve seen Kid Buu and Base RoF Frieza destroy the planet so unless we think they’re both 2C or the DB Earth is getting Zenkai boosts. I doubt it.

I already explained that, yeah

Because their task wasn't to test the void? If you are asked to test the durability of a window would you also check the surrounding walls?

Another false equivalence, why would the glass be more durable than the walls?
You're implying the stage is more durable than the void

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

To impress zeno + were stated to have gone too far

That doesn't mean they used their 100%

 

[Purgy]

Another false equivalence, why would the glass be more durable than the walls?
You're implying the stage is more durable than the void

The glass in this case is made of the strongest material in the multiverse, the walls are just an empty void

 

[Maitreya12]

It seems that the main crux is that we come to an agreement on how "serious" the three gods were fighting in the void.

Once we establish that, I have no issues with the proposal should we say yes, "they fought at the same or more effort Beerus and Champa would fight."

Yeah I think it’s a bit hard to argue about the lack of supposed effort the 3 GOD’s put in. Since they’re specifically trying to impress and put on a show and impress Zeno who they very much fear.

It also is a little important to note that even if the GOD’s weren’t all going 100% out. It wouldn’t matter all too much since the presence of a third GOD in that fight acts as sort of a mitigating factor in the argument against the notion.

Or to put it in numbers:

Say Beerus and Champa need 100% power each to destroy the 2 universes right. So 200% equivalent of power is needed to perform the 2C feat. Now say each GOD is only performing at say 75% power each during the fight. Even if they really were holding back a somewhat considerable degree, the energy the 3 of them are outputting still goes beyond the 200% threshold to perform the 2C feat.

Can we also get a count for the agreed and disagreed since I think most people are in agreement here.

 

[Darksmash]

Another false equivalence, why would the glass be more durable than the walls?
You're implying the stage is more durable than the void

Calling everything false equivalence doesn't solve anything. The point is that GoDs could have easily restricted their destruction to the stage itself without affecting the void. Checking the void wasn't their job so they didn't do it.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Uhhh I know I might be hanged for this but
how wouldn’t this just fall under the DP AP discrepancy? We don’t really have any evidence that they were trying to shake the void to begin with, even if they did go all out. It’s like if you always destroy the planet you’re on while fighting, but the 3-A person you’re fighting doesn’t, it doesn’t actually mean you’re stronger.

Please don’t get mad at me fr, I just want you to elaborate on the logic a bit here.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

It was stated by whis and even gods themselves and we have discussed that so many times before

If you think gods are still superior, make your own crt

The problem is that in that exhibition, we don't know if Gods used all of their power.
Just an statement of them "going too far" is pretty vague

 

[Sus]

That doesn't mean they used their 100%

"Aren't they going too far"

The glass in this case is made of the strongest material in the multiverse, the walls are just an empty void

Even then, it makes more sense for the void to be at least as durable, and its supported by feats

 

[Rikimarox2]

You ain't getting paid extra.

Fr mfs be doing extra work for nothing.

Anyways, don't really know how to feel about this. Neutral for now.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Who says that Gods probably didn't control their Ki to lessen the effects of the battle????

 

[Spinoirr]

Who says that Gods probably didn't control their Ki to lessen the effects of the battle????

The fact beerus and champa don't each time they have clashed

 

[Sus]

Calling everything false equivalence doesn't solve anything. The point is that GoDs could have easily restricted their destruction to the stage itself without affecting the void. Checking the void wasn't their job so they didn't do it.

It would be meaningless if i don't explain why
And it was already explained why they weren't Suppressed