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Dragon Ball Super - Jiren and Co. Upgrade via Void Scaling

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Rikimarox2 said:
From what I got from skimming through the thread and OP, thats not the point.

The point was that 3 gods couldn't tickle WoV's *******, meanwhile Goku shook the entire wov itself.
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Shouldn't that be Piss then?

3 Gods energy combined is clearly stronger than what UI Goku can afford.
 
Sus said:
The difference is :
1- we know they can fight without causing destruction
2- gods were intending to cause destruction, as they were testing the durability of the stage
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And why would they want to damage the void if they were testing the durability of the stage?
 
Yeah, each time we see GoD fighting one a other it always cases damage around them, like beerus and champa slapping one another was going to destroy two universes

Yet when 3 GoD fight in the wold of void, nothing happend to the void
 
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Sus said:
The difference is :
1- we know they can fight without causing destruction
2- gods were intending to cause destruction, as they were testing the durability of the stage
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why couldn't they have just been intending do cause destruction in the area of the stage and thus there's no evidence they were attempting to disturb/effect the WoV?
 
Sus said:
You know.... a durable stage in a weak location? Figure it out yourself

This equivalence is so funny because it clearly not true lmao
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What? Mind elaborating because your first statement is too vague for me to understand your point.
 
Hasty12345 said:
why couldn't they have just been intending do cause destruction in the area of the stage and thus there's no evidence they were attempting to disturb/effect the WoV?
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Yeah it makes so much sense to put a durable stage in a not-durable universe
 
Darksmash said:
I also propose upgrading DB earth to 2-C since it can clearly tank the clashes of these 2-C monsters.
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That’s just Ki control. Besides we’ve seen Kid Buu and Base RoF Frieza destroy the planet so unless we think they’re both 2C or the DB Earth is getting Zenkai boosts. I doubt it.
 
Sus said:
It makes 0 sense for them to test the stage while leaving the void itself
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Because their task wasn't to test the void? If you are asked to test the durability of a window would you also check the surrounding walls?
 
Sus said:
Mui goku and jiren were stated a fuckton of times to be stronger than gods...

This merely gives characters a specific tier based on it
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Are we really sure about it?
We haven't seen Beerus at 100% or any other G.O.D......
How can we be so sure about that? , Just becouse an statement?

Statements< Feats. Unless we see Goku taking on 3 Gods at once, then the statement could be true.

We should pick these statements with a grain of salt. Becouse Beerus powers keeps being upgraded constantly.


Also, no to mention the contradictions Super has.

For example:

Future SS2 Trunks was portrayed weaker while training with Vegeta in the present. SSB Vegeta knock him out.
But then, in the Future, somehow SS2 Trunks is able to trade blows with SSR Goku black, stop an attack of his with his bare hand.

And even, he was able to not only trade good blows with Future Zamasu (Who was comparable to SSB Goku from the black saga). He also was able to land pretty solid hits on the latter, making him drool.....
 
Spinoirr said:
Yeah, each time we see GoD fighting one a other it always cases damage around them, like beerus and champa slapping one another was going to destroy two universes

Yet when 3 GoD fight in the wold of void, nothing happend to the void
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Again, two GoD fighting is against the rules due to them casually fighting destroying two universes but the WoV wasn't affected by this fight even when they were serious because Zeno wanted them to test the durability of the ring
 
God900 said:
Are we really sure about it?
We haven't seen Beerus at 100% or any other G.O.D......
How can we be so sure about that? , Just becouse an statement?

Statements< Feats. Unless we see Goku taking on 3 Gods at once, then the statement could be true.

We should pick these statements with a grain of salt. Becouse Beerus powers keeps being upgraded constantly.


Also, no to mention the contradictions Super has.

For example:

Future SS2 Trunks was portrayed weaker while training with Vegeta in the present. SSB Vegeta knock him out.
But then, in the Future, somehow SS2 Trunks is able to trade blows with SSR Goku black, stop an attack of his with his bare hand.

And even, he was able to not only trade good blows with Future Zamasu (Who was comparable to SSB Goku from the black saga). He also was able to land pretty solid hits on the latter, making him drool.....
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It was stated by whis and even gods themselves and we have discussed that so many times before

If you think gods are still superior, make your own crt
Godernet said:
That’s just Ki control. Besides we’ve seen Kid Buu and Base RoF Frieza destroy the planet so unless we think they’re both 2C or the DB Earth is getting Zenkai boosts. I doubt it.
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I already explained that, yeah
Darksmash said:
Because their task wasn't to test the void? If you are asked to test the durability of a window would you also check the surrounding walls?
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Another false equivalence, why would the glass be more durable than the walls?
You're implying the stage is more durable than the void
 
Firestorm808 said:
It seems that the main crux is that we come to an agreement on how "serious" the three gods were fighting in the void.

Once we establish that, I have no issues with the proposal should we say yes, "they fought at the same or more effort Beerus and Champa would fight."
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Yeah I think it’s a bit hard to argue about the lack of supposed effort the 3 GOD’s put in. Since they’re specifically trying to impress and put on a show and impress Zeno who they very much fear.

It also is a little important to note that even if the GOD’s weren’t all going 100% out. It wouldn’t matter all too much since the presence of a third GOD in that fight acts as sort of a mitigating factor in the argument against the notion.

Or to put it in numbers:

Say Beerus and Champa need 100% power each to destroy the 2 universes right. So 200% equivalent of power is needed to perform the 2C feat. Now say each GOD is only performing at say 75% power each during the fight. Even if they really were holding back a somewhat considerable degree, the energy the 3 of them are outputting still goes beyond the 200% threshold to perform the 2C feat.

Can we also get a count for the agreed and disagreed since I think most people are in agreement here.
 
Sus said:
Another false equivalence, why would the glass be more durable than the walls?
You're implying the stage is more durable than the void
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Calling everything false equivalence doesn't solve anything. The point is that GoDs could have easily restricted their destruction to the stage itself without affecting the void. Checking the void wasn't their job so they didn't do it.
 
Uhhh I know I might be hanged for this but
how wouldn’t this just fall under the DP AP discrepancy? We don’t really have any evidence that they were trying to shake the void to begin with, even if they did go all out. It’s like if you always destroy the planet you’re on while fighting, but the 3-A person you’re fighting doesn’t, it doesn’t actually mean you’re stronger.

Please don’t get mad at me fr, I just want you to elaborate on the logic a bit here.
 
Sus said:
It was stated by whis and even gods themselves and we have discussed that so many times before

If you think gods are still superior, make your own crt
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The problem is that in that exhibition, we don't know if Gods used all of their power.
Just an statement of them "going too far" is pretty vague
 
Darksmash said:
Calling everything false equivalence doesn't solve anything. The point is that GoDs could have easily restricted their destruction to the stage itself without affecting the void. Checking the void wasn't their job so they didn't do it.
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It would be meaningless if i don't explain why
And it was already explained why they weren't Suppressed
 
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