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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I was thinking here, could Gogeta's soul punisher take away the cosmic Garou's powers? I remember that Garou was high on God's power and was eliminating people and even killed Genos, this would make a bad guy who can be affected by soul punisher?
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Idk about take away he's power. But it would probably KO or kill him if they are on equal footing.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I was thinking here, could Gogeta's soul punisher take away the cosmic Garou's powers? I remember that Garou was high on God's power and was eliminating people and even killed Genos, this would make a bad guy who can be affected by soul punisher?
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It is left unclear if what made Garou act like that was his own consciousness or God's influence.

At first, it seemed as if it was God's influence (as stated by Blast), then he said he did it on his own (God's influence), but later on he said that he was controlled iirc (when he witnessed Tareo dead). So at best it'd take away God's powers or God's influence (though I'm unsure if it'd do that, since God's powers are not evilness incarnated like Janemba's. It is God who is seemingly evil)
 
Davi009997 said:
Would that be enough for infinite speed?

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Pretty sure most of videogame characters already scale to immeasurable.

Anyway, nope. Transcending time does not mean infinite speed in almost all contexts, let alone a scan without context that more than likely is referring to their ability to summon someone from the future in the present as transcending time.

And who will even get infinite speed there? Isn't that a dialogue to the player? It's been a long since I played DB legends
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Pretty sure most of videogame characters already scale to immeasurable.

Anyway, nope. Transcending time does not mean infinite speed in almost all contexts, let alone a scan without context that more than likely is referring to their ability to summon someone from the future in the present as transcending time.

And who will even get infinite speed there? Isn't that a dialogue to the player? It's been a long since I played DB legends
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This is not from Dragon Ball Legends; it's from Dragon Ball Dokkan Battle.
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Anyone seen the new episode for dragonball dissection? There almost finished with GT
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Yeah, It as very Interessing rant about the honour stuff.
I can agree that Goku complaining about his opponents fighting dirty is kinda weird, but don't think is unjustified for somethings, like the five star Dragon.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Since the Super anime is accepted as a continuation of Z Kai, does that mean the Super manga is accepted as the original series's canon continuation?
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I like to think there's three paths in the canon.

1. Dragon Ball (Manga) < Dragon Ball Super (Manga)

2. Dragon Ball (Anime) < Dragon Ball Z < Dragon Ball GT

3. Dragon Ball (Anime) < Dragon Ball Kai < Dragon Ball Super

Basically, Z and Kai are the breaking point where the continuities follow different paths (GT and Super respectively)
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Iffy on Powerhouse being a x50 multiplier over Cell. Isn't the Perfect Cell we see already in SSJ?
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The only Super Saiyan form Cell is ever confirmed to have used is Grade 3. Ignoring its aura, which is supporting evidence (at best), nothing ever implies Cell is ever transformed outside of when Cell is Powerweighted, which is explicitly the Third Grade Super Saiyan form.
Omegabronic said:
The Cell juniors would have had zenkais from regenerating, thus stronger than their Cell saga selfs, no?
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Android 17 confirms they are "all just as strong [as the originals]".
 
Nullflowerblush said:
The only Super Saiyan form Cell is ever confirmed to have used is Grade 3. Ignoring its aura, which is supporting evidence (at best), nothing ever implies Cell is ever transformed outside of when Cell is Powerweighted, which is explicitly the Third Grade Super Saiyan form.
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I mean, he still had a speed decrease when he went Grade 3 against Gohan. I don't think we can say that Grade 3 makes one even slower than their base form.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
I mean, he still had a speed decrease when he went Grade 3 against Gohan. I don't think we can say that Grade 3 makes one even slower than their base form.
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I assumed it was just stressing power aka one dose not need SS to do what grade 3 dose, anyone could do it (I think cell actually says that) it's just generally not a good idea
 
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Eden_Warlock99 said:
I mean, he still had a speed decrease when he went Grade 3 against Gohan. I don't think we can say that Grade 3 makes one even slower than their base form.
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Normally, but Cell was significantly larger and bulkier than Trunks or even itself was when using Grade 3 previously. Evidently, Cell was pushing its power even further than before; though, Trunks describes Cell's power-up as the "same mistake" as before, implying they are identical transformations at the base level.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
I mean, he still had a speed decrease when he went Grade 3 against Gohan. I don't think we can say that Grade 3 makes one even slower than their base form.
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Nullflowerblush said:
Normally, but Cell was significantly larger and bulkier than Trunks or even itself was when using Grade 3 previously. Evidently, Cell was pushing its power even further than before; though, Trunks describes Cell's power-up as the "same mistake" as before, implying they are identical transformations at the base level.
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Given both versions of the form are Cell using SSJ Grade 3, then "Base Cell" is "SSJ" in comparison. Not literally, but comparability. And it's made pretty clear by Goku that average SSJ is better than Grade 3 because Grade 3 kills the speed of a SSJ. In that same way, Grade 3 Cell being slower than Base Perfect Cell makes total sense, because it's him killing his speed in exchange for power.

I mean, Cell himself literally comments when he uses it the first time that the speed problem exists to show off how "basic" the form is. I'm pretty sure both kill his speed. It's just that Power Weighted does so even further.
 
Okay, real talk, guys: I get that, since they are based on the manga, the pages should ideally consist of renders from the manga, but sometimes you just can't find good ones; like, for instance, Goku's Kaio-ken renders. It is okay to use renders from external media, y'know?
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Okay, real talk, guys: I get that, since they are based on the manga, the pages should ideally consist of renders from the manga, but sometimes you just can't find good ones; like, for instance, Goku's Kaio-ken renders. It is okay to use renders from external media, y'know?
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That's what I'm doing for my GT rework. Ideally, I'd get renders from GT, but man does GT look awful most of the time. So I just use external official media.
 
Unpopular opinion, but i do think that most if not every single "mid - high tier prediciton" skill feat is in the same tier - dont attack me, its just my opinion.

Since this would make martial arts debates boring, theres a simple work around: Compare the context of the fights/opponents.

You gonna notice one thing: the martial arts guy 9/10 got the advatange to specific stats (be it speed, or durability) while being more skilled/expierenced. The guy with "hax" is most of time stronger AP or durability, sometimes its AP/durability and he LACKS the expierence/skills.

The fact Goku could predict a 1000 years old assasine whos the best in his own universe, and whos entire sthick is improving ... is nuts. Hit may look like a joke compared to multiuniversal time hax guys, but in a close quarters fight? Hes the definition of John Wick.
 
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RedReaper616 said:
Apparently the Super Dragon Fist is literally Goku's fighting spirit turning into a goddamn Dragon to beat the **** out of you.

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How do we index that?
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I always thought it was something like this especially since it started as the Great Ape.

It's Supernatural Willpower and Astral Projection where you find this
 
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