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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Idk about take away he's power. But it would probably KO or kill him if they are on equal footing.
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It is left unclear if what made Garou act like that was his own consciousness or God's influence.
At first, it seemed as if it was God's influence (as stated by Blast), then he said he did it on his own (God's influence), but later on he said that he was controlled iirc (when he witnessed Tareo dead). So at best it'd take away God's powers or God's influence (though I'm unsure if it'd do that, since God's powers are not evilness incarnated like Janemba's. It is God who is seemingly evil)
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Would that be enough for infinite speed?
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On this site, no
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Here hyperbole and fallacies would be made
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Pretty sure most of videogame characters already scale to immeasurable.
Anyway, nope. Transcending time does not mean infinite speed in almost all contexts, let alone a scan without context that more than likely is referring to their ability to summon someone from the future in the present as transcending time.
And who will even get infinite speed there? Isn't that a dialogue to the player? It's been a long since I played DB legends
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This is not from Dragon Ball Legends; it's from Dragon Ball Dokkan Battle.
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Anyone seen the new episode for dragonball dissection? There almost finished with GT
Fezzih_007
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Yeah, It as very Interessing rant about the honour stuff.
I can agree that Goku complaining about his opponents fighting dirty is kinda weird, but don't think is unjustified for somethings, like the five star Dragon.
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No lol. The context is time travel, and it’s not like time travel on its own grants any speed rating.
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Nullflowerblush
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Since the Super anime is accepted as a continuation of Z Kai, does that mean the Super manga is accepted as the original series's canon continuation?
Vizer04
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I like to think there's three paths in the canon.
1. Dragon Ball (Manga) < Dragon Ball Super (Manga)
2. Dragon Ball (Anime) < Dragon Ball Z < Dragon Ball GT
3. Dragon Ball (Anime) < Dragon Ball Kai < Dragon Ball Super
Basically, Z and Kai are the breaking point where the continuities follow different paths (GT and Super respectively)
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Okay, what do you guys think of this scaling chain?
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Iffy on Powerhouse being a x50 multiplier over Cell. Isn't the Perfect Cell we see already in SSJ?
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Bingo!!!!
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The Cell juniors would have had zenkais from regenerating, thus stronger than their Cell saga selfs, no?
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The only Super Saiyan form Cell is ever confirmed to have used is Grade 3. Ignoring its aura, which is supporting evidence (at best), nothing ever implies Cell is ever transformed outside of when Cell is Powerweighted, which is explicitly the Third Grade Super Saiyan form.
Android 17 confirms they are "all just as strong [as the originals]".
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I mean, he still had a speed decrease when he went Grade 3 against Gohan. I don't think we can say that Grade 3 makes one even slower than their base form.
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I assumed it was just stressing power aka one dose not need SS to do what grade 3 dose, anyone could do it (I think cell actually says that) it's just generally not a good idea
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Normally, but Cell was significantly larger and bulkier than Trunks or even itself was when using Grade 3 previously. Evidently, Cell was pushing its power even further than before; though, Trunks describes Cell's power-up as the "same mistake" as before, implying they are identical transformations at the base level.
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Given both versions of the form are Cell using SSJ Grade 3, then "Base Cell" is "SSJ" in comparison. Not literally, but comparability. And it's made pretty clear by Goku that average SSJ is better than Grade 3 because Grade 3 kills the speed of a SSJ. In that same way, Grade 3 Cell being slower than Base Perfect Cell makes total sense, because it's him killing his speed in exchange for power.
I mean, Cell himself literally comments when he uses it the first time that the speed problem exists to show off how "basic" the form is. I'm pretty sure both kill his speed. It's just that Power Weighted does so even further.
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The guy literally plays the Big Three villains of Anime!!
The only one who isn't a villain is from Bleach with big nails, but he has a villain vibe.
The only one who isn't a villain is from Bleach with big nails, but he has a villain vibe.
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Apparently the Super Dragon Fist is literally Goku's fighting spirit turning into a goddamn Dragon to beat the **** out of you.
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How do we index that?
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How do we index that?
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Supernatural Willpower and, idk, maybe some weird kind of Astral Projection or something
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Ilussion creation.
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Okay, real talk, guys: I get that, since they are based on the manga, the pages should ideally consist of renders from the manga, but sometimes you just can't find good ones; like, for instance, Goku's Kaio-ken renders. It is okay to use renders from external media, y'know?
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That's what I'm doing for my GT rework. Ideally, I'd get renders from GT, but man does GT look awful most of the time. So I just use external official media.
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Unpopular opinion, but i do think that most if not every single "mid - high tier prediciton" skill feat is in the same tier - dont attack me, its just my opinion.
Since this would make martial arts debates boring, theres a simple work around: Compare the context of the fights/opponents.
You gonna notice one thing: the martial arts guy 9/10 got the advatange to specific stats (be it speed, or durability) while being more skilled/expierenced. The guy with "hax" is most of time stronger AP or durability, sometimes its AP/durability and he LACKS the expierence/skills.
The fact Goku could predict a 1000 years old assasine whos the best in his own universe, and whos entire sthick is improving ... is nuts. Hit may look like a joke compared to multiuniversal time hax guys, but in a close quarters fight? Hes the definition of John Wick.
Since this would make martial arts debates boring, theres a simple work around: Compare the context of the fights/opponents.
You gonna notice one thing: the martial arts guy 9/10 got the advatange to specific stats (be it speed, or durability) while being more skilled/expierenced. The guy with "hax" is most of time stronger AP or durability, sometimes its AP/durability and he LACKS the expierence/skills.
The fact Goku could predict a 1000 years old assasine whos the best in his own universe, and whos entire sthick is improving ... is nuts. Hit may look like a joke compared to multiuniversal time hax guys, but in a close quarters fight? Hes the definition of John Wick.
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I always thought it was something like this especially since it started as the Great Ape.
It's Supernatural Willpower and Astral Projection where you find this
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I don't know if Episode of Bardock is accepted, actually. If it is, and you just mean the first SSJ in general, yeah.
However, if you mean the Legend, then that depends on what we consider "the" Legendary Super Saiyan. There are three potential answers. There's Broly, the literal person who has a form called by name Legendary Super Saiyan, there's Bardock/Goku, who fulfilled/created the prophecy/LEGEND of the Super Saiyan defeating Frieza's people, and then there's the originator of that Prophecy's true form and fulfilling it (in Toei), a Saiyan eons ago who attained the Golden Oozaru (and failed to master it, which also by proxy makes Goku gaining SSJ4 also attaining and surpassing the prophecy,)
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Good point, if we count BoG to be part of the Toei continuity then Yamoshi should be one of the ancient Super Saiyans, but not the first.
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The most badass shit tf
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Have the renders in the manga profiles always been this ugly? 
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Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?) is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a kind-hearted boy after he bumped his head...
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