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I nominate Null as Tribute
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Demon_Lord18
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Go ahead and commit the crime
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The narrative EE in dr slump does't just remove them from the narrative, but replaced the entire plot, including the universes, which have different histories (which is where hakai got history EE from as well iirc) and attempted to rewrite their History to something else, it does a lot of things
History EE alone isn't doing squat to them, unless you're saying the history EE that hakai has is even beyond a narrative level
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I thought that Beerus erasing Dr Mahito was erased from his page a long ago
Spinoirr
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Like I was wondering why the Hakai isnt like one layer of narrative EE
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Sigh, fine I’ll answer this
Short answer: No. I won’t get too much into it but just be as brief as possible, Beerus can’t erase beings on a narrative level and/or can’t erase things to a level where they are booted from the story completely. It’s only been accepted that he can Hakai beings with narrative EE resistance but by no means does Beerus or Hakai for that matter have any Narrative applications. So Goku would not have Narrative EE resistance either.
No because again, it’s only accepted Beerus can Hakai beings with the resistance, not that he himself nor Hakai has narrative applications and even more so have the same attributes and applications as Dr. S Plot Manipulation
No. I won’t get into it too much but scaling Beerus and/or Hakai to Plot Hax AP has been deemed an outlier.
Plus that statement has always been treated with a half tea-spoon of salt. It’s that reason why Beerus was only given resistance to Toon Force rather than quite literally every ability under the Sun on Arale’s page.
Goku for that matter has little to no idea of what Arale can even do or what she is trying capable of. Only that she has logic breaking powers (I.E. Toon Force) but that’s it. So to say plot manipulation (a power that neither GOKU nor BEERUS for that matter are even aware of) would just straight up not work for unknown reasons is a bit of a stretch. It even becomes more so a stretch when you consider Arale wasn’t actively trying to throw hands throughout the entire ordeal
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If this is about Goku having History EE resistance and Hakai having History EE applications.
Those are for completely unrelated reasons that are not associated to dr slump. Read the page again. Hakai has its own dragon ball established reasons for History EE
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For my next campaign, I'm going to make it to where tanking an energy attack warrants a 2x advantage.
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Will this scale to speed?
Nullflowerblush
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Yes.
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it seems fake to me.
Nullflowerblush
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Trust in the agenda.
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Your agenda is the agenda?
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Nullflowerblush
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wait why the hell was my planet vegeta calculation rejected again
Nullflowerblush
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wait
i used diameter lol
i used diameter lol
Fezzih_007
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Damn, you got bad luck If you made others calculations, just to get rejected several times.
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i don’t disagree with Historical EE for Hakai at all, I dont think I ever said this. I disagree with Hakai still having this part of its justification.
this is a relic from when Hakai was just standard EE. I think its wrong and just extra fluff
Demon_Lord18
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Where does the 5-A in Son Goku's Dragon Ball (Toei) profile come from? Because he is 2x stronger than his previous key?
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the toei scaling for classic dragon ball is identical for canon, aside from inflated feats that is
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I think there is proof to consider a fusion's base beyond both parts' full power.
Base Gotenks in Z was believed to beat Buu, and Goten and Trunks obviously not even in SSJ can.
Base Kefla in the Anime fought against SSG Goku and iirc forced him to become blue or blue KK, while Caulifla and Kale together couldn't match SSG Goku.
Base Gogeta evaded some of SSJ Broly attacks, and matched him in SSJ, while previously both SSGSS Goku & Vegeta couldn't.
In the manga, iirc base Vegito could hold his own against Fused Zamasu better than what SSGSS Goku & Vegeta did.
In Toei Z it is even more clear, since Base Vegito no-diffed Buu for most of the time, while at that time Goku even at ssj3 was below Ultimate Gohan.
And hell, even a failed fusion of Gotenks could crack Cell Max's weak spot
Base Gotenks in Z was believed to beat Buu, and Goten and Trunks obviously not even in SSJ can.
Base Kefla in the Anime fought against SSG Goku and iirc forced him to become blue or blue KK, while Caulifla and Kale together couldn't match SSG Goku.
Base Gogeta evaded some of SSJ Broly attacks, and matched him in SSJ, while previously both SSGSS Goku & Vegeta couldn't.
In the manga, iirc base Vegito could hold his own against Fused Zamasu better than what SSGSS Goku & Vegeta did.
In Toei Z it is even more clear, since Base Vegito no-diffed Buu for most of the time, while at that time Goku even at ssj3 was below Ultimate Gohan.
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Why is Goku "average" intelligence again? Would below average not be more suitable?
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He got 50/100 in that one test
DivineAura44
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Yeah, the test was to determine if you were a mindless beast or not. They prolly where giving questions like "What color is blue?" or "How many sides does a square have?"
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well yes i know, but focus on the italic part
we treat SSG as >400*400 base
it should be 800*400 because gokus and vegetas power are summed first
Demon_Lord18
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Goku's minor dowgrade Dragon Ball (toei)
Apparently you need to make a CRT for this, so here goes. Son Goku Dragon Ball (Toei) is being listed as Large Planet, for being 2x stronger than his previous key, but his previous key was “only” 1,393 Yottatons, being twice as powerful would make Goku 2.7 Yottattosn, far from the 3.8 of the...
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No, there were actual math equations in there too. We see on the page that Goku shows Vegeta there’s geometry to solve. Meaning he’s got (admittedly low, only 50% passing) middle school-high school education, which makes sense because Roshi taught him those things (and reading/writing) when he was 12.
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DivineAura44
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Even if true, I wouldn't consider that average.
Demon_Lord18
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but in both manga and anime it's stated to be above the sum not the individual max of both
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DivineAura44
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so.. for the sake of lowballing? because the statement is clear
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that is fun and all................but GT/Toei Goku should get Bellow Average for general intelligence as he finds counting 1 to 3 difficult
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