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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

according to Geekdom he says that Daima takes place a little after the buu arc but before super and that characters introduced in Daima will come back in a important storyline later in Super
 
What's more likely to happen.

Upgraded DB cosmology

No cosmology upgraded, but upgraded Pre-BoG, Buu saga characters.

No upgrades across the board.
 
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Lawyerr said:
What's more likely to happen.

Upgraded DB cosmology

No cosmology upgraded, but upgraded Pre-GoG, Buu saga characters.

No upgrades across the board.
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I think this is very possible, but the last time i thought that the release of additional material wouldn't upgrade one of my favorite characters he ended up gaining Abstract Existence and Plot Hax, lol
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
After that, Goku will gain a new transformation named "Super Saiyan 1776", which makes him achieve the ultimate power of the american dream
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What will it's multiplier be?
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Well, after main trailer of Daima, i can say that DBS can't be canon for it... And if Daima is straight continue of DBZ, DBS can't be canon at all.
The splitting of Kibitoshin into Kaioshin and Kibito may be based on the use of Dragonballs, which made all the characters younger. So it isn't argument for DBS. We also haven't seen Beerus or Whis or anything else. And in screens of Goku's adventure what Makaishin show us, there also no DBS content.
Nah, it looks more like DBGT remake than DBS continue.
 
BitestDust said:
Well, after main trailer of Daima, i can say that DBS can't be canon for it... And if Daima is straight continue of DBZ, DBS can't be canon at all.
The splitting of Kibitoshin into Kaioshin and Kibito may be based on the use of Dragonballs, which made all the characters younger. So it isn't argument for DBS. We also haven't seen Beerus or Whis or anything else. And in screens of Goku's adventure what Makaishin show us, there also no DBS content.
Nah, it looks more like DBGT remake than DBS continue.
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It's pretty much been confirmed that Daima happened in between DBS and the Buu Saga, during the time-skip. Which is why we don't see Beerus and whatnot. and also why there is so much focus on the Buu Saga in the trailer. They haven't even met Beerus yet in this story.

Still gonna need to wait a long time for DBS to be continued in the anime. But tbh since it would the last canon Dragon Ball anime, I hope they take their time and make it look really amazing on some Broly movie type stuff.
 
RinneItachi said:
It's pretty much been confirmed that Daima happened in between DBS and the Buu Saga, during the time-skip. Which is why we don't see Beerus and whatnot. and also why there is so much focus on the Buu Saga in the trailer. They haven't even met Beerus yet in this story.

Still gonna need to wait a long time for DBS to be continued in the anime.
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Between Buu saga and Beerus arc only one month, Daima is already started from at least few days timeskip, and i dont think that all demon world saga will take less than month.

Plus, Kibito and Kaioshin splitting up is completely contradictory to the events of DBS where Whis split them up.
Don't forget that Dragonballs have a year-long recharge, and the Namekians have been forgotten about since 2013 without ever being mentioned. So between the start of Daima and the start of DBS there should be a year long timeskip, which is impossible and completely conflicts with the DBS timeline.

Trying to tie Daima to DBS through bizarre claims and hopes is certainly laudable, but there are enough contradictions to forget about DBS.
And there will probably be a new form of super saiyan in Daima, otherwise if Goku handles all opponents using only the first three forms, there will be no hype. And people have been waiting for SS4 for a long time.
Ah yes, the direct statements that Daima is a story that has never been told before.

I don't see the point in believing weird supposedly official statements, since the series itself may end up refuting them with some statement within the story. For now, I'm leaning towards a brand new product that is a direct continuation of the original story. Again, it's worth remembering that DBS is only a casual continuation of the original story, not something that can encroach on absolute canon. Unlike the Daima.
 
BitestDust said:
Between Buu saga and Beerus arc only one month, Daima is already started from at least few days timeskip, and i dont think that all demon world saga will take less than month.

Plus, Kibito and Kaioshin splitting up is completely contradictory to the events of DBS where Whis split them up.
Don't forget that Dragonballs have a year-long recharge, and the Namekians have been forgotten about since 2013 without ever being mentioned. So between the start of Daima and the start of DBS there should be a year long timeskip, which is impossible and completely conflicts with the DBS timeline.

Trying to tie Daima to DBS through bizarre claims and hopes is certainly laudable, but there are enough contradictions to forget about DBS.
And there will probably be a new form of super saiyan in Daima, otherwise if Goku handles all opponents using only the first three forms, there will be no hype. And people have been waiting for SS4 for a long time.
Ah yes, the direct statements that Daima is a story that has never been told before.

I don't see the point in believing weird supposedly official statements, since the series itself may end up refuting them with some statement within the story. For now, I'm leaning towards a brand new product that is a direct continuation of the original story. Again, it's worth remembering that DBS is only a casual continuation of the original story, not something that can encroach on absolute canon. Unlike the Daima.
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Uh no. There is a 3, almost 4 year time-skip between Buu's defeat and Beerus arriving on Earth. Where did you get a month from?

"Plus, Kibito and Kaioshin splitting up is completely contradictory to the events of DBS where Whis split them up."

??? They defused using the Namekian Dragon Ball's.

"Don't forget that Dragonballs have a year-long recharge, and the Namekians have been forgotten about since 2013 without ever being mentioned. So between the start of Daima and the start of DBS there should be a year long timeskip, which is impossible and completely conflicts with the DBS timeline."

Almost 4 years between Buu Saga and DBS. And you shouldn't forget either that the Namekian's version of a year is equivalent to 4 months on Earth, so even less time.

"Trying to tie Daima to DBS through bizarre claims and hopes is certainly laudable, but there are enough contradictions to forget about DBS."

There are literally 0 contradictions. The only "Issue" is that if the events of Daima have a huge effect in the story, it wouldn't make sense IN HINDSIGHT for DBS to have happened after, only because they were never mentioned in DBS. It's sort of like a retcon, but it doesn't hurt the story or make plot holes. Just like how Broly wasn't mentioned in the BoG arc. DBS Broly didn't exist yet so of course Whis wouldn't mention him, but in hindsight it doesn't make sense that he wouldn't get brought up because he would be rather important (especially considering that Broly would have been WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY stronger than Goku so logically it would make more sense for Beerus to go to him instead).

"And there will probably be a new form of super saiyan in Daima, otherwise if Goku handles all opponents using only the first three forms, there will be no hype. And people have been waiting for SS4 for a long time."

Absolutely not. Maybe a temporary power-up like how Goku absorbed the Spirit Bomb in the Android 13 movie, but not an actual new form, that makes no sense and people will be perfectly happy seeing the iconic SSJ forms. Especially 3 which was literally seen like, what, 3 times in DBS? And SSJ4 being canonized is a literal meme.

"Ah yes, the direct statements that Daima is a story that has never been told before."

I mean yeah it's an addition to the story. Just deal with it.

"I don't see the point in believing weird supposedly official statements, since the series itself may end up refuting them with some statement within the story. For now, I'm leaning towards a brand new product that is a direct continuation of the original story. Again, it's worth remembering that DBS is only a casual continuation of the original story, not something that can encroach on absolute canon. Unlike the Daima."

There are no official statements about its place in the timeline, the speculation is based on what we do know which would heavily suggest with like 99% certainty that it takes place in the, again, nearly 4 year time-skip between Buu and Beerus.

And I have no idea what you're going on about how DBS isn't an "official and solidified canon continuation" of the original Z story. The DBS manga is THE definitive continuation of the "Z" manga, written by Toriyama. I use quotations around Z because in reality the manga is only ever called Dragon Ball in official serialization. The DBS anime is a slightly different continuity that uses the basic foundations of the manga's story laid out by Toriyama with additions or changes from Toei's staff, which also allows the inclusion of non-Toriyama characters and references that appeared only in the anime. Daima is a pre-sequel to DBS with no direct relation to DBS' events or story. It is not a separate timeline.
 
I can see Daima taking place within the end of Goku's fight with Beerus and before Vegeta and Goku start to train with Whis
 
RinneItachi said:
Uh no. There is a 3, almost 4 year time-skip between Buu's defeat and Beerus arriving on Earth. Where did you get a month from?

"Plus, Kibito and Kaioshin splitting up is completely contradictory to the events of DBS where Whis split them up."

??? They defused using the Namekian Dragon Ball's.

"Don't forget that Dragonballs have a year-long recharge, and the Namekians have been forgotten about since 2013 without ever being mentioned. So between the start of Daima and the start of DBS there should be a year long timeskip, which is impossible and completely conflicts with the DBS timeline."

Almost 4 years between Buu Saga and DBS. And you shouldn't forget either that the Namekian's version of a year is equivalent to 4 months on Earth, so even less time.

"Trying to tie Daima to DBS through bizarre claims and hopes is certainly laudable, but there are enough contradictions to forget about DBS."

There are literally 0 contradictions. The only "Issue" is that if the events of Daima have a huge effect in the story, it wouldn't make sense IN HINDSIGHT for DBS to have happened after, only because they were never mentioned in DBS. It's sort of like a retcon, but it doesn't hurt the story or make plot holes. Just like how Broly wasn't mentioned in the BoG arc. DBS Broly didn't exist yet so of course Whis wouldn't mention him, but in hindsight it doesn't make sense that he wouldn't get brought up because he would be rather important (especially considering that Broly would have been WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY stronger than Goku so logically it would make more sense for Beerus to go to him instead).

"And there will probably be a new form of super saiyan in Daima, otherwise if Goku handles all opponents using only the first three forms, there will be no hype. And people have been waiting for SS4 for a long time."

Absolutely not. Maybe a temporary power-up like how Goku absorbed the Spirit Bomb in the Android 13 movie, but not an actual new form, that makes no sense and people will be perfectly happy seeing the iconic SSJ forms. Especially 3 which was literally seen like, what, 3 times in DBS? And SSJ4 being canonized is a literal meme.

"Ah yes, the direct statements that Daima is a story that has never been told before."

I mean yeah it's an addition to the story. Just deal with it.

"I don't see the point in believing weird supposedly official statements, since the series itself may end up refuting them with some statement within the story. For now, I'm leaning towards a brand new product that is a direct continuation of the original story. Again, it's worth remembering that DBS is only a casual continuation of the original story, not something that can encroach on absolute canon. Unlike the Daima."

There are no official statements about its place in the timeline, the speculation is based on what we do know which would heavily suggest with like 99% certainty that it takes place in the, again, nearly 4 year time-skip between Buu and Beerus.

And I have no idea what you're going on about how DBS isn't an "official and solidified canon continuation" of the original Z story. The DBS manga is THE definitive continuation of the "Z" manga, written by Toriyama. I use quotations around Z because in reality the manga is only ever called Dragon Ball in official serialization. The DBS anime is a slightly different continuity that uses the basic foundations of the manga's story laid out by Toriyama with additions or changes from Toei's staff, which also allows the inclusion of non-Toriyama characters and references that appeared only in the anime. Daima is a pre-sequel to DBS with no direct relation to DBS' events or story. It is not a separate timeline.
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4 years? You kidding? There's no 4 years between Buu Saga and DBS, it was said in first episode lol. There's only few month.
Well, most of your takes was destroyed by anime, lol.

And official ≠ canon. For Akira DBS is firstly anime started from 2013, not 2015 DBS or Toyotaro's manga. And considering that Toyotaro's manga is dead in the media, and its content is not used in any products except for this manga itself, then for large companies that currently own all the rights to the franchise, this manga basically does not exist. And Akira has never declared its canonicity. There are only Toyotaro's words that he wants to end the original story, blah-blah-blah, but ... any other spin-off or any other continuation of the story can do this. Even fan fiction can do this(Toyotaro actually doing this rn). The fact that his manga is sold does not make this manga canon for original story by definition. Just as Toyotaro's words do not make it canon. And from Akira's words it follows that DBS as a whole, as a phenomenon, is not a full-fledged continuation of the original story, but rather acts on the same level as DBGT. Just like other timeline.

I understand that losing DBS can be painful, but there is no point in defending it so recklessly either. Daima can't exist within the DBS for many reasons already at the time of the trailers' release, and what will happen when the anime itself comes out? Oh, there will be more. Much more.
 
AyeZ2 said:
BoG was age 778

Buu Arc was 774
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Yeah, dbs is another timeline. Stated that after Buu half a year passed before the dragon balls were used, and after that few months passed. Overall, even from this perspective, the beginning of DBS doesn't match up with the end of the Buu saga. Or that ages was retconned, but i dont belive in that. As was said by Akira, its casual continuation, so it doesn't have to be consistent with the original story. Just Buu in DBS was defeated in age ~777 and after that was 8-9 months(half year to using dragonballs and few months after that) timeskip to age 778. And it's works only to DBS verse cuz it can't retcon original story being «casual continuation».
 
BitestDust said:
4 years? You kidding? There's no 4 years between Buu Saga and DBS, it was said in first episode lol. There's only few month.
Well, most of your takes was destroyed by anime, lol.
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  • Goten was 7 in the Buu Saga.
    • He is 16 in Super Hero.
      • That's a 9 year difference between the events of the Buu Saga and Super Hero.
  • Videl was pregnant with Pan in BoG.
    • Pan was born between BoG and RoF, which is 1 year after BoG.
      • Pan is around 4 years old in Super Hero.
        • So Super Hero is 4-5 years after BoG.
Let's hammer this in further. The epilogue of the manga is 10 years after the defeat of Buu. This is explicitly stated. Goten is 17 years old. Pan is 5 years old. They have a 12 year age difference. Pan was only born in Battle of Gods and Super Hero is only 4 years after BoG. Are you proposing that Goten is actually meant to be 12 years old in SH and he spent 4 years in the Time Chamber with Trunks offscreen? If not then where exactly does this extra 4 years come from?

There is no point in Super where a time skip like this can even occur. And that's all thanks to Pan's age making it impossible. The only point an additional 4 year time skip can occur is between Buu and BoG.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
  • Goten was 7 in the Buu Saga.
    • He is 16 in Super Hero.
      • That's a 9 year difference between the events of the Buu Saga and Super Hero.
  • Videl was pregnant with Pan in BoG.
    • Pan was born between BoG and RoF, which is 1 year after BoG.
      • Pan is around 4 years old in Super Hero.
        • So Super Hero is 4-5 years after BoG.
Let's hammer this in further. The epilogue of the manga is 10 years after the defeat of Buu. This is explicitly stated. Goten is 17 years old. Pan is 5 years old. They have a 12 year age difference. Pan was only born in Battle of Gods and Super Hero is only 4 years after BoG. Are you proposing that Goten is actually meant to be 12 years old in SH and he spent 4 years in the Time Chamber with Trunks offscreen? If not then where exactly does this extra 4 years come from?

There is no point in Super where a time skip like this can even occur. And that's all thanks to Pan's age making it impossible. The only point an additional 4 year time skip can occur is between Buu and BoG.
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W explanation gang
 
CryoTheMayo said:
  • Goten was 7 in the Buu Saga.
    • He is 16 in Super Hero.
      • That's a 9 year difference between the events of the Buu Saga and Super Hero.
  • Videl was pregnant with Pan in BoG.
    • Pan was born between BoG and RoF, which is 1 year after BoG.
      • Pan is around 4 years old in Super Hero.
        • So Super Hero is 4-5 years after BoG.
Let's hammer this in further. The epilogue of the manga is 10 years after the defeat of Buu. This is explicitly stated. Goten is 17 years old. Pan is 5 years old. They have a 12 year age difference. Pan was only born in Battle of Gods and Super Hero is only 4 years after BoG. Are you proposing that Goten is actually meant to be 12 years old in SH and he spent 4 years in the Time Chamber with Trunks offscreen? If not then where exactly does this extra 4 years come from?

There is no point in Super where a time skip like this can even occur. And that's all thanks to Pan's age making it impossible. The only point an additional 4 year time skip can occur is between Buu and BoG.
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Which we don't have, turning DBS into a separate tie-in where there is no DBZ ending with a 10-year timeskip.
And the timeskips for half a year between events + the use of Earth Dragonballs at least twice after the BoG arc - in the Zamasu arc and before ToP in the episode where Bulma makes the time machine are repeatedly stated in the story. The time frame is already a little more than 4-5 years based on the use of dragon pearls, since the events of the anime series already have a time gap of 2-3 years.
Now, maybe I can remember how many dragonballs were used.
So. BoG Arc, for the creation of the Super God Saiyan. Arch RoF, for resurrecting Freeza. Arc of the 6th and 7th universe tournament to find the last super dragonball. Then Goku wanted to resurrect Kaioh. Also another use of dragon pearls to save Broly. All in all it was 4 years from BoG ending with DBS: Broly. Or 5 years after defeating Buu, since the dragonballs used in BoG recharged just that time period. Plus three years had passed after DBS: Broly by the time DBS: Super Hero started, totaling at least 8 years, since this doesn't take into account ALL the timeskips of the anime. Where another 4 years before the events of BoG should fit in here I have no idea.
What do we have? A maxed out timeline. Extremely holey and unexplainable.
 
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