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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Ss3micah said:
If this is about Goku having History EE resistance and Hakai having History EE applications.
Those are for completely unrelated reasons that are not associated to dr slump. Read the page again. Hakai has its own dragon ball established reasons for History EE
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i don’t disagree with Historical EE for Hakai at all, I dont think I ever said this. I disagree with Hakai still having this part of its justification.
Can erase[11] beings like Dr. Mashirito, and likely even Arale Norimaki, both of whom resisted narrative existence erasure,[24][25]
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this is a relic from when Hakai was just standard EE. I think its wrong and just extra fluff
 
Where does the 5-A in Son Goku's Dragon Ball (Toei) profile come from? Because he is 2x stronger than his previous key?
 
why are fusions considered above the max power of one fusee rather than both?
and why is vados' statement not taken into account?
 
I think there is proof to consider a fusion's base beyond both parts' full power.

Base Gotenks in Z was believed to beat Buu, and Goten and Trunks obviously not even in SSJ can.

Base Kefla in the Anime fought against SSG Goku and iirc forced him to become blue or blue KK, while Caulifla and Kale together couldn't match SSG Goku.

Base Gogeta evaded some of SSJ Broly attacks, and matched him in SSJ, while previously both SSGSS Goku & Vegeta couldn't.

In the manga, iirc base Vegito could hold his own against Fused Zamasu better than what SSGSS Goku & Vegeta did.

In Toei Z it is even more clear, since Base Vegito no-diffed Buu for most of the time, while at that time Goku even at ssj3 was below Ultimate Gohan.

And hell, even a failed fusion of Gotenks could crack Cell Max's weak spot
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
I think there is proof to consider a fusion's base beyond both parts' full power.

Base Gotenks in Z was believed to beat Buu, and Goten and Trunks obviously not even in SSJ can.

Base Kefla in the Anime fought against SSG Goku and iirc forced him to become blue or blue KK, while Caulifla and Kale together couldn't match SSG Goku.

Base Gogeta evaded some of SSJ Broly attacks, and matched him in SSJ, while previously both SSGSS Goku & Vegeta couldn't.

In the manga, iirc base Vegito could hold his own against Fused Zamasu better than what SSGSS Goku & Vegeta did.

In Toei Z it is even more clear, since Base Vegito no-diffed Buu for most of the time, while at that time Goku even at ssj3 was below Ultimate Gohan.

And hell, even a failed fusion of Gotenks could crack Cell Max's weak spot
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well yes i know, but focus on the italic part
Sus said:
one fusee rather than both?
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we treat SSG as >400*400 base
it should be 800*400 because gokus and vegetas power are summed first
Sus said:
and why is vados' statement not taken into account?
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Goku's minor dowgrade Dragon Ball (toei)

Apparently you need to make a CRT for this, so here goes. Son Goku Dragon Ball (Toei) is being listed as Large Planet, for being 2x stronger than his previous key, but his previous key was “only” 1,393 Yottatons, being twice as powerful would make Goku 2.7 Yottattosn, far from the 3.8 of the...
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DivineAura44 said:
Yeah, the test was to determine if you were a mindless beast or not. They prolly where giving questions like "What color is blue?" or "How many sides does a square have?"
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No, there were actual math equations in there too. We see on the page that Goku shows Vegeta there’s geometry to solve. Meaning he’s got (admittedly low, only 50% passing) middle school-high school education, which makes sense because Roshi taught him those things (and reading/writing) when he was 12.
 
Sus said:
why are fusions considered above the max power of one fusee rather than both?
and why is vados' statement not taken into account?
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They’re above the max of both. The issue solely is there’s no way to accurately quantify that, so we try to work with the absolute lowest reasonable baseline we can gather and work from there.
 
RedReaper616 said:
No, there were actual math equations in there too. We see on the page that Goku shows Vegeta there’s geometry to solve. Meaning he’s got (admittedly low, only 50% passing) middle school-high school education, which makes sense because Roshi taught him those things (and reading/writing) when he was 12.
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Even if true, I wouldn't consider that average.
 
DivineAura44 said:
Yeah, the test was to determine if you were a mindless beast or not. They prolly where giving questions like "What color is blue?" or "How many sides does a square have?"
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If you have a bucket of water that contains 2 liters and another that contains 5 liters, how many buckets do you have?
 
RedReaper616 said:
They’re above the max of both. The issue solely is there’s no way to accurately quantify that, so we try to work with the absolute lowest reasonable baseline we can gather and work from there.
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but in both manga and anime it's stated to be above the sum not the individual max of both
 
Sus said:
but in both manga and anime it's stated to be above the sum not the individual max of both
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Yes. I agreed with that. It’s just a matter of how you go about trying to math that out for a scaling chain. (Especially since that easily gets into Calc-Stacking.)
 
RedReaper616 said:
Yes. I agreed with that. It’s just a matter of how you go about trying to math that out for a scaling chain. (Especially since that easily gets into Calc-Stacking.)
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so.. for the sake of lowballing? because the statement is clear
 
RedReaper616 said:
No, there were actual math equations in there too. We see on the page that Goku shows Vegeta there’s geometry to solve. Meaning he’s got (admittedly low, only 50% passing) middle school-high school education, which makes sense because Roshi taught him those things (and reading/writing) when he was 12.
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that is fun and all................but GT/Toei Goku should get Bellow Average for general intelligence as he finds counting 1 to 3 difficult not even joking, go look it up, it is during the Oceanus Shenron fight iirc
 
omegabronic said:
that is fun and all................but GT/Toei Goku should get Bellow Average for general intelligence as he finds counting 1 to 3 difficult not even joking, go look it up, it is during the Oceanus Shenron fight iirc
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What? Clearly Goku is talking about the infinites between 1, 2, and 3 =P OVO
 
omegabronic said:
that is fun and all................but GT/Toei Goku should get Bellow Average for general intelligence as he finds counting 1 to 3 difficult not even joking, go look it up, it is during the Oceanus Shenron fight iirc
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I thought he was just vaguely oblivious I didn't know he was an idiot who finds it easier to name his super saiyan forms from 1-3 than counting his ******* fingers
 
honestly neither sequels gave the manga justice imo, i emjoyed super, dont get me wrong, but to me DB peaked at the cell saga
 
Sus said:
honestly neither sequels gave the manga justice imo, i emjoyed super, dont get me wrong, but to me DB peaked at the cell saga
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I would say DB peaked at the black arc but I can’t confidently say that with how it ended.

My real choice would be the cell saga too aswell
 
Sus said:
i didn't say it's the best saga, rather, after that it was never the same

i do love buu saga i just think it's the least good of the 4 Z sagas
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Buu saga just made Goku seem really stupid for most of the arc
 

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AyeZ2 said:
Buu saga just made Goku seem really stupid for most of the arc
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it also regressed gohan and vegeta imo

for the action, buu saga is balls, its so good, but for writing and characters it falls short
 
Sus said:
it also regressed gohan and vegeta imo

for the action, buu saga is balls, its so good, but for writing and characters it falls short
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Me looking at Goku as he could've killed Buu or stopped Majin Vegeta as a ssj3 but just... didn't
 
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