Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Banjo77]

As well as Gas, Granola, Cell Max and Beerus

Sagambo and 17 aren't that strong in comparison to current characters. Same could be said for Moro

I think cell max should scale on Gas

 

[Sus]

whats the current scaling for anime DBS?
wasnt cell max < broly?

 

[RedReaper616]

I've always felt like 4,000 was reasonable.

It's still got nothing on the god forms that take Goku to a literal different realm of strength. SSJG is like 20,000 at a LOWBALL estimate. Like bare minimum. Using that would make SSJB a 1,000,000x base form multiplier. And UI is vastly superior to that.

That's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too low, dude. You have to remember that SSJ3 Goku was ~ Super Saiyan Baby, and then Baby went SSJ2 and SSJ3. Golden Oozaru eclipsed that, and then Goku went SSJ4 with Golden Oozaru Baby being near him in strength (meaning the multiplier from Golden Oozaru to SSJ4 must be comparable to the multiplier gap between SSJ3 and Golden Oozaru itself.)

Like, the actual lowball would be near 10.24 million times Base.

(400 x 2 x 4 is 3200 to get to where SB2 {and thus Golden Oozaru} is from Base, then multiply 3200 on itself to get the bare minimum SSJ4 Multiplier. 3200 times 3200 is 10.24 million).

How it stacks up compared to the God Forms is iffy, though, because SSJ4 is just propelling an already 2-C fighter massively forward whereas SSG is taking a Multi-Solar System/Galaxy fighter to 2-C. If you compared actual numerical minimums, SSJ4 would be superior, but if you got the power jumps as written in the context of their stories I'd say SSG and SSJ4 would be comparable (SSJ4 was compared to the multiplier Anime Vegito gave in the guides and we also know that SSJ2 Baby exceeded him outright, so it's consistent, and Anime Vegito took Galaxy-Multi Galaxy fighters to 2-C like SSG did for Goku in BoG so within the context of their stories, they're comparable as infinite jumps of power. No, SSG being "above Vegito" doesn't matter, because that was referring to Manga Vegito, whose level of power and increase are dwarfed by Anime Vegito.)

Then SSB is a 50x jump off of that, making it the stronger form compared to ordinary SSJ4, and SFPSSJ4 is at least a ten times amp, (likely much higher because it took SSJ4 Goku who couldn't even handle Syn Shenron beyond even Omega Shenron, which is a ten times amp off Syn Shenron himself, so this is just the numerical lowball, not an accurate estimate), so based on that SSB is stronger, but wouldn't be too much so. GT Goku would likely be able to use the Super Dragon Fist to cross the remaining gap (it allowed Base Goku to damage S17, who at that point was stronger than SSJ4 Goku of that arc). SSJ4 would definitely be behind forms like SSBKK, SSBE, and Ultra Instinct/Ego though.

 

[Spinoirr]

That's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too low, dude. You have to remember that SSJ3 Goku was ~ Super Saiyan Baby, and then Baby went SSJ2 and SSJ3. Golden Oozaru eclipsed that, and then Goku went SSJ4 with Golden Oozaru Baby being near him in strength (meaning the multiplier from Golden Oozaru to SSJ4 must be comparable to the multiplier gap between SSJ3 and Golden Oozaru itself.)

Like, the actual lowball would be near 10.24 million times Base.

(400 x 2 x 4 is 3200 to get to where SB2 {and thus Golden Oozaru} is from Base, then multiply 3200 on itself to get the bare minimum SSJ4 Multiplier. 3200 times 3200 is 10.24 million).

How it stacks up compared to the God Forms is iffy, though, because SSJ4 is just propelling an already 2-C fighter massively forward whereas SSG is taking a Multi-Solar System/Galaxy fighter to 2-C. If you compared actual numerical minimums, SSJ4 would be superior, but if you got the power jumps as written in the context of their stories I'd say SSG and SSJ4 would be comparable (SSJ4 was compared to the multiplier Anime Vegito gave in the guides and we also know that SSJ2 Baby exceeded him outright, so it's consistent, and Anime Vegito took Galaxy-Multi Galaxy fighters to 2-C like SSG did for Goku in BoG so within the context of their stories, they're comparable as infinite jumps of power. No, SSG being "above Vegito" doesn't matter, because that was referring to Manga Vegito, whose level of power and increase are dwarfed by Anime Vegito.)

Then SSB is a 50x jump off of that, making it the stronger form compared to ordinary SSJ4, and SFPSSJ4 is at least a ten times amp, (likely much higher because it took SSJ4 Goku who couldn't even handle Syn Shenron beyond even Omega Shenron, which is a ten times amp off Syn Shenron himself, so this is just the numerical lowball, not an accurate estimate), so based on that SSB is stronger, but wouldn't be too much so. GT Goku would likely be able to use the Super Dragon Fist to cross the remaining gap (it allowed Base Goku to damage S17, who at that point was stronger than SSJ4 Goku of that arc). SSJ4 would definitely be behind forms like SSBKK, SSBE, and Ultra Instinct/Ego though.

Remember PUI and UE are limitless unbounded states of mind/forms/techniques

Their power depends on the mindset of the user and thus have no set multiplier