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What makes the Broly stuff "cute references" and the Fusion Reborn stuff "evidence of canonicity"? That's cherrypicking
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Nullflowerblush
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I forgot; what was the evidence again?
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If their timeline is contradicted in the anime and a guide says otherwise then I'd say use what the anime indicates and just use neither of them.
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Ah, right, the evidence was the GT Perfect File mentioning the character of Gogeta first appeared in the film, released in the Spring of 1995.
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I thought no DB films before Super were canonical to the manga/anime.
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The Manga and Anime are two different continuities.
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Dude, the "/" is an "or". I was saying that I thought no DB film before Super was canonical in general anime/manga.
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Even then no because Garlic Jr got an entire filler arc in the anime to himself, not to mention the assload of references to the movies thanks to GT considering Fusion Reborn part of its continuity which included a bunch of movie villains.
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I do not care.
I said "I thought" because I don't see much of the TOEI continuity, and I only saw it in general. I don't care if it's non-canon for the anime.
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Y'know Vegeta learned of the Fusion Dance in the original series, no? He watched Goten and Trunks fuse before.
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But how strong is Goku in that movie anyways (the frist broly movie)
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Nullflowerblush
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Fusion Reborn has a direct statement in GT guidebook
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Yes, all films are canon to each other, not here where there is a lot of bureaucracy.Broly and the rest of the toei movies have a direct connection to fusion reborn since the characters from the movie appear while invading Earth, you can see Bojack, a crusher corp member, Paragus etc.
I feel like with it not fitting with the movie you could just justify Goku going into base for Gohan's interview, and Vegeta is simply a victim of bad writing like other Toei filler moments (Gohan jobbing to a regular ass whip moment)
I feel like you can't really say that Fusion Reborn fits the timeline but others don't without just applying headcanon to it, there's literally no timeslot for the movie to have happened since Goku and Vegeta are never dead at the same time long enough to fight Janemba, and you can't really ignore the blatant appearances of Paragus and stuff
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Hasty12345
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what's that based on?
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Based on something called "Koyama's canon" at least thats what I've heard about when talking about this online
imo Toriyama's justification on it is simpler, they're separate dimensions/timelines that have little to do with each other
Hasty12345
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"Koyama's canon" where Broly is the strongest being in all of pre-Super DB content
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Broly is maximum and has Brolypotence. he solos DBS"Koyama's canon" where Broly is the strongest being in all of pre-Super DB content
Hasty12345
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agreed
Nullflowerblush
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whatever came out of his bum
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Null always trying to offend me, try to improve your offenses, i'm sure you can do it, professional translator.
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According to Koyama, yhe guy who wrote them all, the movies share a Timeline. As little sense as that makes at times. Fusion Reborn being canon to GT necessarily makes the other films canon retroactively, identically to how Cooler appearing retroactively makes his films canon—Though for some reason this is ignored on Wiki. Well, all except Super 13, as they’re the only film villains who don’t show up.
(An argument could be made that either 1} fully mechanical Androids in Dragon Ball have no Soul, and thus cannot be revived by Shenron. As seen with 16, so it was a purposeful decision. Or 2} They were just ignored. Unfortunately, GT contradicts rule 1, having A19 appear, so it matters not regardless and as such A13’s lack of appearance makes it exempt from the retroactive canoning.)
(An argument could be made that either 1} fully mechanical Androids in Dragon Ball have no Soul, and thus cannot be revived by Shenron. As seen with 16, so it was a purposeful decision. Or 2} They were just ignored. Unfortunately, GT contradicts rule 1, having A19 appear, so it matters not regardless and as such A13’s lack of appearance makes it exempt from the retroactive canoning.)
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If I'm not mistaken, the manga also mentions about Android 13.
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film in singular, we don't consider his sequel movie to be canon
well.....then that is a shoot in the head for Fusion reborn being canon as the contradictions would severely outweight the evidence in this case
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wonder which series loses all their canonicity first with spinoffs. Dragon Ball or Saint Seiya
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Dowgrade, downgrade, of both series would be good.
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Hasty12345
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Giving me stalker vibes little bro
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The funniest thing is to think that Chronos from ND is the same Cronos from episode G, i think the right thing would be to separate, because both works do not fit into the plot in any way
Hasty12345
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Answer my question on the CRT.
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I sometimes get confused which side you're on, but your jokes are always extremely adorable.
Hasty12345
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Stop avoiding my question on the CRT.
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Stop asking absurd questions, since there is an angel next to the Kaioshins.
Hasty12345
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I hope you have a better counter than that...
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Hasty12345
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is your profile picture a representation of how you feel every time you read these arguments?
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