Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Nullflowerblush]

Y'know, I find it rather interesting that Goku can sense Ki between the Living World and Other World but cannot sense Ki within the Room of Spirit and Time from either the Living World or the Realm of the Kai. Just food for thought, y'know.

 

[Spinoirr]

Y'know, I find it rather interesting that Goku can sense Ki between the Living World and Other World but cannot sense Ki within the Room of Spirit and Time from either the Living World or the Realm of the Kai. Just food for thought, y'know.

gee it's almost like the ROST exists outside of the universe 7 macrocosm

 

[BlackeJan]

Bro, it is just a sacrasm, not disrespect you or anything, but well if you feel that way then i'm sorry then

Peoples already debunked those "years ago" misinformations

Ah well it’s hard to tell on text but im sorry for getting a little defensive. I’ve never seen any of these arguments about it so I just been assuming that’s how it’s been + I recently just saw that Xeno Goku hasn’t experience any of DBS so that just explains everything

 

[Rutæhh]

Get that grandma away from the young goat

 

[RedReaper616]

Get that grandma away from the young goat

In actuality, it is me hypnotizing Toyotarou to create peak fiction when the Manga returns.

Also, does anyone have the new Interval Special?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Gosh, the guidebooks are useless!
The Dragon Books assert that King Piccolo acquired "power incomparable to before", but that literally means nothing!
Goku acquired "unprecedented power" after drinking the Ultra Divine Water, but, again, worthless! Unless that can be used to argue that the boost was greater than that of Great Ape.

Well, since we now have a bigger Earth for Dragon Ball, we could try Piccolo Daimao's statement of destroying a sector of the Earth within a day, the only problem is that nobody wants to look at and accept this calc!

 

[Rutæhh]

In actuality, it is me hypnotizing Toyotarou to create peak fiction when the Manga returns.

by removing the garbage known as Mai

Also, does anyone have the new Interval Special?

you mean this one?

 

[RedReaper616]

by removing the garbage known as Mai


you mean this one?

Yeah. Was hoping we could get all the pages. That way we could have every Interval Special.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

How strange that, when consistently written into the dialogue of characters like the God of Destruction, the Lords of Lords, and the Angels, the word "universe" refers to the entirety of the cosmic model,—the Living World, the Other World, and the Realm of the Kai,—but when written into the dialogues of mortal characters, all of a sudden, the meaning of the word that has been associated time and time again with the entirety of the cosmos suddenly refers to only the Living World.

 

[Roun12]

How strange that, when consistently written into the dialogue of characters like the God of Destruction, the Lords of Lords, and the Angels, the word "universe" refers to the entirety of the cosmic model,—the Living World, the Other World, and the Realm of the Kai,—but when written into the dialogues of mortal characters, all of a sudden, the meaning of the word that has been associated time and time again with the entirety of the cosmos suddenly refers to only the Living World.

How you think you look right now:

 

[Nullflowerblush]

How you think you look right now:

Funny thing is Subspaces are explicitly stated to not belong to any part of the vast universe.
But, apparently, they also exist within the vast universe now?

 

[RedReaper616]

How strange that, when consistently written into the dialogue of characters like the God of Destruction, the Lords of Lords, and the Angels, the word "universe" refers to the entirety of the cosmic model,—the Living World, the Other World, and the Realm of the Kai,—but when written into the dialogues of mortal characters, all of a sudden, the meaning of the word that has been associated time and time again with the entirety of the cosmos suddenly refers to only the Living World.

To be fair, oftentimes they explicitly mean the Macrocosm. Elder Kai says “I too will be eradicated in the clash,” during BoG, and as the WotK exists on the literal edge of creation, he means the Macrocosm. And then Angels (Whis), and Hakaishin (Beerus) at that time literally just repeat what he’s saying to back him up. Also, the shockwaves clearly span all of the Macrocosm, which is what they’re talking about, so it’s pretty self evident. Grand Kai says “Universe,” (in Z Anime), and then he literally manifests the map.

The only time I can think of where saying “Universe” didn’t explicitly mean the whole Macrocosm in context when uttered by a God is like, probably Zamasu? And that’s because his plan intended to span the Multiverse/Timeline. Also, maybe if you squint really hard, Whis talking about how the Universes parallel each other with his 12 Universe Simplified Model, but I don’t think anyone would agree to that.

Whereas in the examples given, like by the Heeters, they’re not so clear cut. I don’t disagree, mind you, that it’s strange to create a distinction like this quite suddenly for the sake of a thread, but I do think it’s worth pointing out in almost every time the word Universe was used by a God, there was context to back up what they were referring to.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Get that grandma away from the young goat

Mai is the Rudeus Greyrat of Shoenen manga...or would that be Meliodas? Hey, they should start a club!

 

[Ednaxel2]

Mai is the Rudeus Greyrat of Shoenen manga...or would that be Meliodas? Hey, they should start a club!

The Pilaf wish makes no sense to me cause her brain/mind/memories also had to be reversed right?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

They only wished for youth, not for their ages to be reversed. Their bodies were reverted to those of infants, but their mental faculties remained unchanged.

 

[DivineAura44]

They only wished for youth, not for their ages to be reversed. Their bodies were reverted to those of infants, but their mental faculties remained unchanged.

I mean they kinda did, didn't they? You can see kid Mai is far more immature than she would be had she been an adult. I think she knows she's an adult, but her brain won't stop her from thinking like a kid.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Y'know, I forget. Do the Super Dragon Balls scatter like the normal Dragon Balls?

 

[Rutæhh]

Y'know, I forget. Do the Super Dragon Balls scatter like the normal Dragon Balls?

presumably

 

[StekFence]

Believe so

 

[Ednaxel2]

Would be broken if they didn't

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Okay, okay, just making sure.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Okay, okay, just making sure.

what are you planning

 

[TiltedFN]

The super dragon balls can travel across dimensions btw, pretty sure they were scattered around universe 6 and 7, and they left the world of void which is a different dimension

 

[Nullflowerblush]

somethin somethin occams razor

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Null = I have an idea

Crt= all Universes share the same space-time, therefore 3-A

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

 

[Huesito88]

Null = I have an idea

Crt= all Universes share the same space-time, therefore 3-A

Nah let's make it share the same space then make each Universe Galaxy size and then we get one step closer to making this a reality

Son Goku (Downplay)

Son Goku is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a massive wholesome idiot after he bumped his head. He starts on a...

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[Kroneii1]

Nah let's make it share the same space then make each Universe Galaxy size and then we get one step closer to making this a reality

Son Goku (Downplay)

Son Goku is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a massive wholesome idiot after he bumped his head. He starts on a...

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This is quite accurate

 

[AizenBankai09]

Nah let's make it share the same space then make each Universe Galaxy size and then we get one step closer to making this a reality

Son Goku (Downplay)

Son Goku is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a massive wholesome idiot after he bumped his head. He starts on a...

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Oh hey a db wanker

 

[Fezzih_007]

Nah let's make it share the same space then make each Universe Galaxy size and then we get one step closer to making this a reality

Son Goku (Downplay)

Son Goku is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a massive wholesome idiot after he bumped his head. He starts on a...

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1. SSG Goku's feat is not universal. First of all, the universe busting statements are clearly hyperbole and only referring to the endangering of life forms in the galaxy. The universe busting also never happened so it can't be used. Second, they call the universe as a universe however it is much smaller than a normal universe and is shown to only house 1 galaxy consistently. Shaking a galaxy therefore is only solar system level.
2. ↑ Goku never absorbed SSG into his base form, it was retconned in later in super and there's no way cabba is SSG level

This seems familar

 

[RedReaper616]

Petition for Qualtive Superiority and 1-A meta. Essentially, first of all, we have the subspace. The subspace in DB is a space that exists between dimensions and contains the ROSAT and Sugargoku Space. This is the same subspace that Goku and other DB characters use through is the same one that is through IE. Anyway, this same subspace transcends time. Since this has no concept of time itself, yet still somehow transcends time, this should therefore not be 0D, and instead 1-A.

Also, for QS, Goku can use IS aka the subspace in the crack of time. Which I don't need to get into, as it's evident that these crystals are essentially the realm where all DB timelines are compromised of. And since Goku can use this subspace in this realm, this entails that the subspace isn't limited to a single timeline. This means that the subspace engulfs the crack of time. Since DB timelines on this wiki are 5D IIRC, this means that the subspace is at least 6D even if we ignore 1-A. For more evidence, the said subspace is infinite in size. So it should be another spatial axis.

And DBS is canon to Xenoverse, as this person explained.

DBS is canon to XV, but not the other way around.

 

[Hasty12345]

Petition for Qualtive Superiority and 1-A meta. Essentially, first of all, we have the subspace. The subspace in DB is a space that exists between dimensions and contains the ROSAT and Sugargoku Space. This is the same subspace that Goku and other DB characters use through is the same one that is through IE. Anyway, this same subspace transcends time. Since this has no concept of time itself, yet still somehow transcends time, this should therefore not be 0D, and instead 1-A.

Also, for QS, Goku can use IS aka the subspace in the crack of time. Which I don't need to get into, as it's evident that these crystals are essentially the realm where all DB timelines are compromised of. And since Goku can use this subspace in this realm, this entails that the subspace isn't limited to a single timeline. This means that the subspace engulfs the crack of time. Since DB timelines on this wiki are 5D IIRC, this means that the subspace is at least 6D even if we ignore 1-A. For more evidence, the said subspace is infinite in size. So it should be another spatial axis.

And DBS is canon to Xenoverse, as this person explained.

How can it transcend the concept of time if it's in the hypertimeline?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Son Goku (Downplay)

Son Goku is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a massive wholesome idiot after he bumped his head. He starts on a...

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One problem with that profile, don’t we see Goku crushing a huge boulder and one punching a giant bear?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Nah let's make it share the same space then make each Universe Galaxy size and then we get one step closer to making this a reality

Son Goku (Downplay)

Son Goku is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a massive wholesome idiot after he bumped his head. He starts on a...

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I love this profile so much

 

[Nullflowerblush]

hm...

 

[Shadyboi0]

hm...

45 Quettatons is NOT 5-A

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

45 Quettatons is NOT 5-A

Yeah isn't it like, Low 4-C?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I didn't feel like editing that.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

If I can get this accepted, I could get Mecha Frieza buffed to >1.20967339 Foe.
Or, possibly, >6.04836695 Foe if I can figure out how to argue that, narratively, the anime-only Supernova being ten-times stronger than the Death Ball according to the Dragon Book Z should be enough to prove that Mecha Frieza was ten-times stronger across both medias.

 

[Huesito88]

Welp guys it's time to make the donuts

Is this `1-A and QS?

Essentially, first of all, we have the subspace. The subspace in DB is a space that exists between dimensions and contains the ROSAT and Sugargoku Space. This is the same subspace that Goku and other DB characters use through is the same one that is through IE. Anyway, this same subspace...

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