Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Hasty12345]

Since the Time Room is still accepted, (for jow), BoG—Funnily enough—Is Low 2-C. Since it would destroy that too, and thus the space-time continuum of the Macrocosm. Of course, it would be a “by proxy” thing instead of scaling directly to physicals, (like how blowing up the SDBs doesn’t scale you to Super Shenron), but it IS an interesting thing to note.

Unless this in itself is the technicality.

What’s the evidence he was affecting the past, present and future of the time room?

 

[omegabronic]

Which? Are you referring to Omega? If that's the case, we'll soon be at our peak, wait for the Ultima launch her crt.

we'll see, just need 1 more scan for my last Cosmology thread's OP to be complete

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Being very conservative, If we assume just 1% of the stars in just the universe are similar to or larger than the sun:

1x10^22 * 2.487x10^32 J = 2.487x10^54 J (Solar System level)
About 25 million times higher than Cell's Solar Kamehameha.

If we include every star it's:

1x10^24 * 2.487x10^32 J = 2.487x10^56 J (Still Solar System level) ._.

Nice someone should definitely make a Calc based off of this information.

It’s only 2-C off of a technicality with the site standards, Elder Kai literally says the universe would be a vacuum devoid of matter and there’s 0 indication of entire timeline destruction.

Wrong, it’s stated to turn the Universe into a void of nothingness. That would mean it wouldn’t have time or space in it. Even if you wanted to nitpick that after Goku reverts to SSJ all the statements say that the condensed energy balls and their punches have the power to destroy the Universe itself. Though there isn’t any statements of time, but I’m just saying that the statements don’t make it cap at the material size. Since the fact that it reaches multiple space-times is the reason why space-time destruction is the default assumption.

 

[Huesito88]

we'll see, just need 1 more scan for my last Cosmology thread's OP to be complete

We'll see in 1 thousand years

 

[Hasty12345]

Nice someone should definitely make a Calc based off of this information.

Wrong, it’s stated to turn the Universe into a void of nothingness. That would mean it wouldn’t have time or space in it. Even if you wanted to nitpick that after Goku reverts to SSJ all the statements say that the condensed energy balls and their punches have the power to destroy the Universe itself. Though there isn’t any statements of time, but I’m just saying that the statements don’t make it cap at the material size. Since the fact that it reaches multiple space-times is the reason why space-time destruction is the default assumption.

So arrogantly proclaiming wrong when ignoring the context of that statement…

 

[RedReaper616]

What’s the evidence he was affecting the past, present and future of the time room?

Hm? I think you misread it.

By affecting and destroying the Time Room, which creates past, present, and future, you indirectly destroy Time across those periods. Thus, an indirect L2-C feat. However, no one would scale to this because it’s an indirect feat.

Hence the comparison of destroying the Super Dragon Balls (ala Zamasu and Goku Black) not granting scaling to Super Shenron. In this same way, destroying the time room inherently destroys time, but not of your own merits—It’s just how the room functions mechanically.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Current Goku would be 2-C via IZ no matter what. It’s less of a “DBS isn’t 2-C” and more “BoG is explicitly 3-A via feats and statements”.

I should have specified BoG

 

[Hasty12345]

I should have specified BoG

That comment was more so for Luffy than anyone else

 

[Jinsama]

Man... i remember a soccer match with a f**k ton of dragonball fans ... maybe i should have asked them to join this site,- work their way up to mods/admin and then ban every single anti dragonball guy ... upgrade Goku to tier 0

Profit.

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[ProfectusInfinity]

Multiversal feats having to require direct mentions of past/present/future has been rejected constantly, with most staff members frankly getting annoyed by the pedantry of such a suggestion.

Most recent example.

 

[TiltedFN]

Multiversal feats having to require direct mentions of past/present/future has been rejected constantly, with most staff members frankly getting annoyed by the pedantry of such a suggestion.

Most recent example.

Thank you lmao, was just about to post this.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

That comment was more so for Luffy than anyone else

Sometimes you might have the option to say "haha" for your funny comments

 

[Hasty12345]

Multiversal feats having to require direct mentions of past/present/future has been rejected constantly, with most staff members frankly getting annoyed by the pedantry of such a suggestion.

Most recent example.

That’s cool and all, but I’m not asking for direct mentions, I’m asking for proof either direct or indirect.

Bog has neither.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Man... i remember a soccer match with a f**k ton of dragonball fans ... maybe i should have asked them to join this site,- work their way up to mods/admin and then ban every single anti dragonball guy ... upgrade Goku to tier 0

Profit.

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I liked this idea

 

[Hasty12345]

Man... i remember a soccer match with a f**k ton of dragonball fans ... maybe i should have asked them to join this site,- work their way up to mods/admin and then ban every single anti dragonball guy ... upgrade Goku to tier 0

Profit.

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You should do that

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

That’s cool and all, but I’m not asking for direct mentions, I’m asking for proof either direct or indirect.

Bog has neither.

Create a crt if you are in such a hurry to downgrade

 

[omegabronic]

Multiversal feats having to require direct mentions of past/present/future has been rejected constantly, with most staff members frankly getting annoyed by the pedantry of such a suggestion.

Most recent example.

what is the reason again?

 

[Hasty12345]

Create a crt if you are in such a hurry to downgrade

I don’t have the time to argue against the Goku avi hit squad for 100 pages

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I don’t have the time to argue against the Goku avi hit squad for 100 pages

Wow, i wanted an X1 with you

 

[Hasty12345]

Wow, i wanted an X1 with you

X1?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

X1?

A slang for 1 VS 1

 

[Hasty12345]

A slang for 1 VS 1

Luffy hasn’t X1’d anyone on this site in any CRT

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

A slang for 1 VS 1

Bingo!

Luffy hasn’t X1’d anyone on this site in any CRT

Just create the crt

 

[Hasty12345]

Bingo!

Just create the crt

You create the CRT and I’ll post it

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

So arrogantly proclaiming wrong when ignoring the context of that statement…

Sure, the statements after explicitly say that they have the power to destroy the Universe itself. Along with the condensed energy ball having the same statements, and the guides which say the same thing. What am I ignoring? A Void literally is nothingness, and we literally see voids in Super, which again have no time and space.

I’m not denying the fact that there are no statements that mention time itself, but that doesn’t mean the statements made it explicitly cap at its material. Especially taking in the fact that it crossed multiple time-spaces.

It’s kinda ironic how you called me arrogant for saying that, but it’s whatever. People like to throw ad hominems when someone tells them why they’re wrong.

 

[Hasty12345]

Sure, the statements after explicitly say that they have the power to destroy the Universe itself. Along with the condensed energy ball having the same statements, and the guides which say the same thing. What am I ignoring? A Void literally is nothingness, and we literally see voids in Super, which again have no time and space.

I’m not denying the fact that there are no statements that mention time itself, but that doesn’t mean the statements made it explicitly cap at its material. Especially taking in the fact that it crossed multiple time-spaces.

It’s kinda ironic how you called me arrogant for saying that, but it’s whatever. People like to throw ad hominems when someone tells them why they’re wrong.

The definition of void is empty space

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

You create the CRT and I’ll post it

I know you can do it, try your best.

 

[Hasty12345]

I know you can do it, try your best.

I’m preoccupied with life, but if you want to X1 so bad write the CRT yourself in a blog and send it to me.

I’ll happily post it and defend it.

 

[LordDestroit10K]

What’s the evidence he was affecting the past, present and future of the time room?

Aaaah no, since you affect a whole space-time construction, you inherently affect past, present and future times, so a there is no need of a direct mention. Thats explained in the last tier 2 revision.

 

[Hasty12345]

Aaaah no, since you affect a whole space-time construction, you inherently affect past, present and future times, so a there is no need of a direct mention. Thats explained in the last tier 2 revision.

3-A and low 2-C same tier when?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

3-A and low 2-C same tier when?

We just need it to be 2-C

Characters or objects that can significantly affect,[1] create and/or destroy small multiverses which can be comprised of several separate space-time continuums ranging anywhere from two to a thousand, or equivalents.

 

[LordDestroit10K]

That’s cool and all, but I’m not asking for direct mentions, I’m asking for proof either direct or indirect.

Bog has neither.

Are you sure? Old Kai mentions that the whole universe will be destroyed. And with "whole universe" it refers to the total construction of the universe 7 which is 2-C, so the destruction of this structure is a 2-C feat, so I have explained above.

This wiki deals with the universe as all of space-time, so destroying the entire universe, in this case, is equivalent to destroying all of its space-time, hence past, present and future times.

 

[LordDestroit10K]

3-A and low 2-C same tier when?

3-A: destroy all the matter or physical content of the universe.

Low 2-C: destroy the entire universe, including its space-time and all its matter.

 

[Hasty12345]

3-A: destroy all the matter or physical content of the universe.

Low 2-C: destroy the entire universe, including its space-time and all its matter.

So any sufficiently vague universal statement is low 2-C

 

[LordDestroit10K]

So any sufficiently vague universal statement is low 2-C

That’s a great straw man fallacy…

 

[LordDestroit10K]

en este caso,

That’s a great straw man fallacy…

So any sufficiently vague universal statement is low 2-C

Ah, my guy needs to improve his reading skills

 

[Huesito88]

Ah, my guy needs to improve his education

Fixed

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Ah, my guy needs to improve his reading skills

I agree

 

[Hasty12345]

Literally the entire 2-C BoG argument is based on ignoring the direct statements given by Elder Kai and ignoring context. I find it ironic you made such a statement.

Ah, my guy needs to improve his reading skills

 

[Shadyboi0]

Damn.