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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Jinsama said:
You can calc it and lowball it.

What if it had universe busting powaaa? Shit add all the things that makes Kid Buu a universal buster and the things ive said about the genkidama and I wouldnt be suprised :p:p:p
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take all the energy of every celestial body in the universe alongside all living things and the max you get would be like, high end Solar System level to Multi Solar System level, at max
 
omegabronic said:
take all the energy of every celestial body in the universe alongside all living things and the max you get would be like, high end Solar System level to Multi Solar System level, at max
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Fiction in general doesnt work like that but that wasnt my point:

I wouldnt be surprised if authors intent was like "Come on universe busting spirit bombbbb" due the amount of universal stuff when it comes to Kid Buu and the Genkidama. There speaks more for it than against it.

Btw. you forgot the atmosphere - theres no 100% proof - but i do think it can take le powa from black holes and such.
 
Jinsama said:
Fiction in general doesnt work like that but that wasnt my point:

I wouldnt be surprised if authors intent was like "Come on universe busting spirit bombbbb" due the amount of universal stuff when it comes to Kid Buu and the Genkidama. There speaks more for it than against it.

Btw. you forgot the atmosphere - theres no 100% proof - but i do think it can take le powa from black holes and such.
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Given the first universal feat is BoG done by characters unimaginably more powerful, I doubt the intent was universal busting spirit bomb…
 
Hasty12345 said:
Given the first universal feat is BoG done by characters unimaginably more powerful, I doubt the intent was universal busting spirit bomb…
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Dragon Ball was retconned, genkidama became Universal and the power that Majin Buu absorbed made him on that scale, there is hundreds of evidence of this, btw, the BoG 2-C feat and not Universal, lol.
 
Hasty12345 said:
Given the first universal feat is BoG done by characters unimaginably more powerful, I doubt the intent was universal busting spirit bomb…
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DBZ ended 1996.

DBS was like 2015? Like bro ...

One DBS weirdo can oneshot the universe with one punch, the other DBZ dude needs multiple punches or maybe even a special technqiue/charged KI blast for the same result. I dont see the problem ... I do think Kid Buu is in the multi galaxy range, so I dont wanna buff him to universal but if you wanna play teh game then ima pull the Moro arch card.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Dragon Ball was retconned, genkidama became Universal and the power that Majin Buu absorbed made him on that scale, there is hundreds of evidence of this, btw, the BoG 2-C feat and not Universal, lol.
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It’s only 2-C off of a technicality with the site standards, Elder Kai literally says the universe would be a vacuum devoid of matter and there’s 0 indication of entire timeline destruction.
 
Hasty12345 said:
It’s only 2-C off of a technicality with the site standards, Elder Kai literally says the universe would be a vacuum devoid of matter and there’s 0 indication of entire timeline destruction.
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not to mention no quote about it affecting the entire past present and future as it is required for tier 2 feats
 
Hasty12345 said:
It’s only 2-C off of a technicality with the site standards, Elder Kai literally says the universe would be a vacuum devoid of matter and there’s 0 indication of entire timeline destruction.
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Did you actually see the work? Onda arrived in another kingdom that is outside the Universe, it is not just a 3-A feat, but a 2-C feat, even though he has quotes about leaving everything empty, there is evidence that he crossed another world and went to the Kaioshin realm which has separate space-time, lol
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Did you actually see the work? Onda arrived in another kingdom that is outside the Universe, it is not just a 3-A feat, but a 2-C feat, even though he has quotes about leaving everything empty, there is evidence that he crossed another world and went to the Kaioshin realm which has separate space-time, lol
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Yeah I have seen the work, that’s why I said what I said and you just reinforced what I said. It’s only 2-C based on a site technicality and it doesn’t meet any standards for low 2-C lmao

The statements we use to prove 2-C only describe 3-A and are very strictly ONLY 3-A. 2-C is based on a technicality not logic or evidence.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
They do not get the whole energy the celestial body has, though, just some of it. Same with living beings

Otherwise, just by using the genkidama anyone who gives energy to the genkidama would die due to giving away all their energy
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Sure, but what I mean is like—For example, New Namek. The Energy in New Namek is so strong it can harm a Multiversal Threat. Moro specifically is using the Life Force/Spirit/Soul of a Planet to smack people, and it hurts Vegeta pretty easily. Later, Moro does this with Earth, and he’s able to totally harm himself with its Life Force. Which means Planets in Dragon Ball have absurd amounts of Energy. (This is backed up by Granolah using Planet Cereal’s and being just as effective.)

While technically only taking a bit of the planet’s energy could technically rectify this, do recall that Goku specifically took everything he could from Earth and that’s EXPLICITLY he needed the PEOPLE of Earth to lend their Energy, because it wasn’t enough. Similarly, against Frieza, he took everything he could from the Namekian Solar System, and New Namek is said to be pretty similar to normal Namek. So I don’t see how this would make any tangible sense. Unless we say the Spirit Bomb can’t draw beyond a certain Energy threshold, in which case the entire proposal falls flat entirely. (Not that I agree with it to begin with.)
 
Hasty12345 said:
Yeah I have seen the work, that’s why I said what I said and you just reinforced what I said. It’s only 2-C based on a site technicality and it doesn’t meet any standards for low 2-C lmao
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If it's a problem with the website then refute it, as there is evidence contradicting your ideas
Hasty12345 said:
The statements we use to prove 2-C only describe 3-A and are very strictly ONLY 3-A. 2-C is based on a technicality not logic or evidence.
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Of course, affecting spacetime outside the Universe is a 3-A feat only, i don't even know why I'm arguing with you.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
If it's a problem with the website then refute it, as there is evidence contradicting your ideas

Of course, affecting spacetime outside the Universe is a 3-A feat only, i don't even know why I'm arguing with you.
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You’re mischaracterising the evidence, and I don’t care enough to make a CRT lmao
 
Hasty12345 said:
Current Goku would be 2-C via IZ no matter what. It’s less of a “DBS isn’t 2-C” and more “BoG is explicitly 3-A via feats and statements”.
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Since the Time Room is still accepted, (for jow), BoG—Funnily enough—Is Low 2-C. Since it would destroy that too, and thus the space-time continuum of the Macrocosm. Of course, it would be a “by proxy” thing instead of scaling directly to physicals, (like how blowing up the SDBs doesn’t scale you to Super Shenron), but it IS an interesting thing to note.

Unless this in itself is the technicality.
 
RedReaper616 said:
Since the Time Room is still accepted, (for jow), BoG—Funnily enough—Is Low 2-C. Since it would destroy that too, and thus the space-time continuum of the Macrocosm. Of course, it would be a “by proxy” thing instead of scaling directly to physicals, (like how blowing up the SDBs doesn’t scale you to Super Shenron), but it IS an interesting thing to note.

Unless this in itself is the technicality.
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What’s the evidence he was affecting the past, present and future of the time room?
 
Roun12 said:
Being very conservative, If we assume just 1% of the stars in just the universe are similar to or larger than the sun:

1x10^22 * 2.487x10^32 J = 2.487x10^54 J (Solar System level)
About 25 million times higher than Cell's Solar Kamehameha.

If we include every star it's:

1x10^24 * 2.487x10^32 J = 2.487x10^56 J (Still Solar System level) ._.
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Nice someone should definitely make a Calc based off of this information.
Hasty12345 said:
It’s only 2-C off of a technicality with the site standards, Elder Kai literally says the universe would be a vacuum devoid of matter and there’s 0 indication of entire timeline destruction.
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Wrong, it’s stated to turn the Universe into a void of nothingness. That would mean it wouldn’t have time or space in it. Even if you wanted to nitpick that after Goku reverts to SSJ all the statements say that the condensed energy balls and their punches have the power to destroy the Universe itself. Though there isn’t any statements of time, but I’m just saying that the statements don’t make it cap at the material size. Since the fact that it reaches multiple space-times is the reason why space-time destruction is the default assumption.
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
Nice someone should definitely make a Calc based off of this information.

Wrong, it’s stated to turn the Universe into a void of nothingness. That would mean it wouldn’t have time or space in it. Even if you wanted to nitpick that after Goku reverts to SSJ all the statements say that the condensed energy balls and their punches have the power to destroy the Universe itself. Though there isn’t any statements of time, but I’m just saying that the statements don’t make it cap at the material size. Since the fact that it reaches multiple space-times is the reason why space-time destruction is the default assumption.
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So arrogantly proclaiming wrong when ignoring the context of that statement…
 
Hasty12345 said:
What’s the evidence he was affecting the past, present and future of the time room?
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Hm? I think you misread it.

By affecting and destroying the Time Room, which creates past, present, and future, you indirectly destroy Time across those periods. Thus, an indirect L2-C feat. However, no one would scale to this because it’s an indirect feat.

Hence the comparison of destroying the Super Dragon Balls (ala Zamasu and Goku Black) not granting scaling to Super Shenron. In this same way, destroying the time room inherently destroys time, but not of your own merits—It’s just how the room functions mechanically.
 
Man... i remember a soccer match with a f**k ton of dragonball fans ... maybe i should have asked them to join this site,- work their way up to mods/admin and then ban every single anti dragonball guy ... upgrade Goku to tier 0

Profit.

🗿​

 
Jinsama said:
Man... i remember a soccer match with a f**k ton of dragonball fans ... maybe i should have asked them to join this site,- work their way up to mods/admin and then ban every single anti dragonball guy ... upgrade Goku to tier 0

Profit.

🗿​

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You should do that
 
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