Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[TiltedFN]

So back to wall level?

yep basically

 

[RedReaper616]

Maybe? Bit of a reach, though. The idea is that mechanizing is treated like yet another step in Frieza's evolution.

Actually, question—Does this chart give us an idea for how big the jump between Second and Third form was? Mainly because I wanna know exactly how strong Vegeta was in his battle against Final Form Frieza.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The idea is, given the Second Form is a x2+ boost, the subsequent transformations should grant equal to or greater than increases.
Two-times functions as a reasonable baseline for "many times".

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

While King Chappa's page says the Tenkaichi Budokai he won is unknown, I think if we take the time inbetween each Budokai we could find which one Chappa won. I personally would say he won a Tenkaichi Budokai no earlier than the 16th or 17th Budokai since he would be either 15 or 20 respectively at the time and if we assume he was a king by then he can't be any younger than that (and even then saying he was 15 is a bit of a stretch)

 

[BlackeJan]

I’m still tryna figure out how did DBH Goku get so strong and he done all the events including GT yet is able to stay as strong as CC. Like all he did was absorb god ki but for some odd reason he can be OP af???

 

[Vietthai96]

Xeno Goku do not have God Ki, like, hell, people still think he has God Ki in 2024??, also CC Goku is way stronger than Xeno Goku

 

[BlackeJan]

Xeno Goku do not have God Ki, like, hell, people still think he has God Ki in 2024??, also CC Goku is way stronger than Xeno Goku

Um yes it was said that he absorbed god ki he just can’t use the forms. And no CC Goku is a step above him in power (SSB vs SSJ4)

 

[Vietthai96]

Um yes it was said that he absorbed god ki he just can’t use the forms.

Absorbed god ki

Can't use the form

It is 2024 dude, nothing said Xeno Goku absorbed God Ki bruhh, also absorbed God Ki but can't use God Form is the most bullshit thing in Dragon Ball cause nothing established it

And no CC Goku is a step above him in power (SSB vs SSJ4)

Damn dude, you still stuck at Universe Mission??

 

[Nullflowerblush]

also CC Goku is way stronger than Xeno Goku

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Man you made an amazing point by sending a clip of MUI CC Goku one shotting LBFPSSJ4 Xenoku.

 

[Tyranno223]

The Arcade is the main version of DBH and there Xeno Goku has lost every fight he had with C.C. except an interrupted one.

 

[Vietthai96]

let not forget that CC Goku can slam Hakai at Xeno Goku face anytime

 

[BlackeJan]

It is 2024 dude, nothing said Xeno Goku absorbed God Ki bruhh, also absorbed God Ki but can't use God Form is the most bullshit thing in Dragon Ball cause nothing established it



Damn dude, you still stuck at Universe Mission??

I would watch how u talk to me cause I can tell your tone is in a disrespectful way and I don’t appreciate it. I already know about UI vs Limit Breaker but I was just referring to that scene since u made it seem that CC is “way” stronger. I also had heard/read years ago about Xeno Goku regarding god ki and had thought that was how it went

 

[Spinoirr]

What you guys think about listing UI and Vegeta in UE have a "varies from higher to Far Higher with Ultra Instinct/Ultra Ego" ratting for their manga counterparts given their power varies depending on their mindset

Guys fr what do you think

 

[Vietthai96]

I would watch how u talk to me cause I can tell your tone is in a disrespectful way and I don’t appreciate it

Bro, it is just a sacrasm, not disrespect you or anything, but well if you feel that way then i'm sorry then

I also had heard/read years ago about Xeno Goku regarding god ki and had thought that was how it went

Peoples already debunked those "years ago" misinformations

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@RedReaper616 What would you say about Yang vs Tao with the updated stats?

 

[RedReaper616]

Time to upscale Jiren, because in Sparking Zero he can take a hit from the Champ.

@RedReaper616 What would you say about Yang vs Tao with the updated stats?

1) I didn’t get a notification saying you pinged me, that’s why I’m responding so late and I’m incredibly sorry 2) I’d say much of the same, but now Tao has to adapt to fighting a slightly faster than himself fighter. Though, to be quite honest, given Yang IS faster than him by that small margin, so long as she opens with her unique abilities (Like her Dust), I could see her clenching a win via the element of surprise. The issue is that Yang really doesn’t do that. She’s a straightforward brawler, and while technically isn’t afraid to use Dust, it is almost never her first option in combat. Instead she relies on her bread and butter combos and her Semblance to do the talking, with explosive shots here and there. (Much like how she plays in Cross Tag…) which would probably leave her open to Tao’s vastly superior fighting capabilities compared to her.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

2) I’d say much of the same, but now Tao has to adapt to fighting a slightly faster than himself fighter. Though, to be quite honest, given Yang IS faster than him by that small margin, so long as she opens with her unique abilities (Like her Dust), I could see her clenching a win via the element of surprise. The issue is that Yang really doesn’t do that. She’s a straightforward brawler, and while technically isn’t afraid to use Dust, it is almost never her first option in combat. Instead she relies on her bread and butter combos and her Semblance to do the talking, with explosive shots here and there. (Much like how she plays in Cross Tag…) which would probably leave her open to Tao’s vastly superior fighting capabilities compared to her.

Mind commenting this in the thread?

 

[RedReaper616]

Mind commenting this in the thread?

Sure!

 

[BOEGVELD]

Is there a way to calc the Genki-Dama used against Kid Buu? Since it contained the energy of the entire universe. Surely that would yield something higher than Solar System level.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Is there a way to calc the Genki-Dama used against Kid Buu? Since it contained the energy of the entire universe. Surely that would yield something higher than Solar System level.

I believe so, there is also energy from the other world too.

 

[RedReaper616]

Is there a way to calc the Genki-Dama used against Kid Buu? Since it contained the energy of the entire universe. Surely that would yield something higher than Solar System level.

I mean, you’d first have to prove that the energy the Spirit Bomb gets from celestial objects is actually equal to the energy of the celestial object. And I doubt you could, because how much energy they have/can give seems to vary wildly.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I mean, you’d first have to prove that the energy the Spirit Bomb gets from celestial objects is actually equal to the energy of the celestial object. And I doubt you could, because how much energy they have/can give seems to vary wildly.

In fact, we can do this, there is mention of genkidama taking energy from the planets, even from the sun itself, that would be easy.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I mean, you’d first have to prove that the energy the Spirit Bomb gets from celestial objects is actually equal to the energy of the celestial object. And I doubt you could, because how much energy they have/can give seems to vary wildly.

They do not get the whole energy the celestial body has, though, just some of it. Same with living beings

Otherwise, just by using the genkidama anyone who gives energy to the genkidama would die due to giving away all their energy

 

[BOEGVELD]

I mean, you’d first have to prove that the energy the Spirit Bomb gets from celestial objects is actually equal to the energy of the celestial object. And I doubt you could, because how much energy they have/can give seems to vary wildly.

We do have a statement from King Kai, implying that tapping into the powers of the Sun is enough to destroy Earth. Other than that, not so much afaik.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

We do have a statement from King Kai, implying that tapping into the powers of the Sun is enough to destroy Earth. Other than that, not so much afaik.

He does not say that, though. He says you should be careful with how much energy you gather, otherwise you may end up destroying the Earth, not that the power of the Sun alone is enough to destroy the Earth

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Random question how many crts are currently active, because I'm working on one and almost gonna post it?

Edit: nvm so I checked myself and luffy's crt got closed temporarily so Ima post it after luffy's crt gets concluded.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

He does not say that, though. He says you should be careful with how much energy you gather, otherwise you may end up destroying the Earth, not that the power of the Sun alone is enough to destroy the Earth

What if we just assume that all the stars in the Universe give an earth destruction amount of joules. Since according to NASA there’s one septillion stars in the universe.

I think that’s a reasonable lowball.


Also, I got multiple scans of the spirit bomb using the energy from the Universe for Z manga.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

What if we just assume that all the stars in the Universe give an earth destruction amount of joules. Since according to NASA there’s one septillion stars in the universe.

I think that’s a reasonable lowball.


Also, I got multiple scans of the spirit bomb using the energy from the Universe for Z manga.

We can do something about the Buu saga, I sometimes feel that the Buu saga is not a solar system, but rather 3-B to low 2-C.

 

[BOEGVELD]

He does not say that, though. He says you should be careful with how much energy you gather, otherwise you may end up destroying the Earth, not that the power of the Sun alone is enough to destroy the Earth

Doesn't say it verbatim, but implies it heavily. He claims Goku ''may'' end up destroying Earth if he taps into the powers of the Sun.

 

[Roun12]

What if we just assume that all the stars in the Universe give an earth destruction amount of joules. Since according to NASA there’s one septillion stars in the universe.

I think that’s a reasonable lowball.


Also, I got multiple scans of the spirit bomb using the energy from the Universe for Z manga.

Being very conservative, If we assume just 1% of the stars in just the universe are similar to or larger than the sun:

1x10^22 * 2.487x10^32 J = 2.487x10^54 J (Solar System level)
About 25 million times higher than Cell's Solar Kamehameha.

If we include every star it's:

1x10^24 * 2.487x10^32 J = 2.487x10^56 J (Still Solar System level) ._.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Doesn't say it verbatim, but implies it heavily. He claims Goku ''may'' end up destroying Earth if he taps into the powers of the Sun.

No, they are not related at all. They are comments completely unrelated

First, he compares what the power from a Genkidama could be if made from Earth, and wonders what Goku could do if he learnt to tape the power from the Sun

Then he warns Goku he should be careful not to destroy the planet with such a powerful energy. Not that if he uses the power of the Sun he'd immediatly gain a planet bust ability.

It's not "If you learn yo gain power from the Sun, you could destroy the Earth!". It is "If you could gather that amount of energy here, imagine on Earth! If you could gain energy from the Sun too… well, just be careful you do not destroy the planet using this technique". Which, considering just gathering energy from Earth is enough to damage planet buster beings, kinda proves one should be careful without even considering Sun's energy

 

[Jinsama]

Jeez ... what year is it? 2019?

Even ignoring the narrator statement ... its pretty clear that Gokus spirit bomb had U7 entire energy: From Gokus place to hell and the atmosphere of afterlife. And the fact they were desperated as shit and made it pretty clear to gather all the energy they could ... yeah, it was strong as fukk.

How strong? Idk. But we do know what fodders can tribute to a spirit bomb.

You guys aint ready for modern scaling of Dragonball

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

The point is, you can't really quantify the amount of energy they get. It is not the entirety of the energy of the being, since otherwise stars and living beings would've died

And quantification is really impossible. I.e., this "modern scaling" would result in nothing acceptable for the wiki, since there is no reliable source of how much energy one gets from star, planets, nor living beings.

 

[Jinsama]

The point is, you can't really quantify the amount of energy they get. It is not the entirety of the energy of the being, since otherwise stars and living beings would've died

And quantification is really impossible. I.e., this "modern scaling" would result in nothing acceptable for the wiki, since there is no reliable source of how much energy one gets from star, planets, nor living beings.

Brotha I just stick to the right translation, what DBS/Kai used and the things we do know like what absolute fodders can tribute to a spirit bomb. We do know the sun > earth & namek.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Yeah, but, again, the energy the Genkidama gets from them is unquantifiable. Therefore, no change is possible.

 

[Omegabronic]

i wonder what this thread has to constantly stop sending notifications out of nowhere......oh well

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

If you check the thread but don't go to the last page you stop getting notifications I think

 

[Jinsama]

Yeah, but, again, the energy the Genkidama gets from them is unquantifiable. Therefore, no change is possible.

You can calc it and lowball it.

What if it had universe busting powaaa? Shit add all the things that makes Kid Buu a universal buster and the things ive said about the genkidama and I wouldnt be surprised

 

[Omegabronic]

You can calc it and lowball it.

What if it had universe busting powaaa? Shit add all the things that makes Kid Buu a universal buster and the things ive said about the genkidama and I wouldnt be suprised

take all the energy of every celestial body in the universe alongside all living things and the max you get would be like, high end Solar System level to Multi Solar System level, at max