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I can only imagine how long that would take...
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Dragon Ball Daima Spoiler Discussion Thread
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I made a CRT to get the ball rolling, but it was closed under the pretense other verse supporters are working on it. That was many months ago.
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Curious, does Toei DBZ anime mention the Demon Realm as well, thus ironically making Daima "canon" to Toei DBZ timeline?
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Not sure, but I'd assume the demon realm is mentioned in Toei. I don't think that would de facto make Daima canon to Toei though.
Daima had the most Toriyama involvement of any other recent projects, I'd imagine it's canon to the original 72 volumes of the manga and at least the DBS manga continuation due to other statements saying the next Super arc will use Daima concepts/characters (unsure of the validity of those statements).
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The DB, Z and Daima profiles should souly be manga canon, with the only anime profile being DBS Anime. We’d just have an influx of profiles that are nearly 1:1 with each other, with the only difference being statistics and images. It just makes applying changes/revisions unnecessarily harder
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Toei is an exception as it adds a LOT more. It’s as different to the original manga to the same extent the DBS anime is to the DBS manga
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Why not do it the other way around? Shouldn't a thread decide that?
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well, firstly we would need to define if Daima is canon to both DB Anime and DB Manga, if it is to both? we would just do the Manga continuity one, since it is the main canon, and ignore the Kai one, one has priority over the other imo
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the Demon realm in the Toei anime is very different, it first appeared in the OG DB Anime, the leader of it was a... weird dude, the design of the Demons, ambiance, look, etc, all of it was drastically different from Daima, so... i don't think there is a way to reasonably try to fit daima in the Toei anime timeline at all
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just to be clear, i meant to say "DBS" and not "DB" in my reply
i mean... duh? DBS Manga is the continuation of the OG Manga, aka the main canon, the DBS Anime is the continuation of the DBZ Kai anime, which is not the main canon as it is a shoot off continuity from the manga
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Honestly just add Daima to Toei Z goku's profile and the other z toei profiles
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Cause it is the primary source material it takes presidence over its anime adaptation by default
Why, Daima is very much connected to Super which both Kai and the Manga have, but Toei is a whole other thing
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Fair enough. I didn't think a simple throwaway quote even if Toei DBZ did somewhat go in line with original manga would be enough for Daima to be comfortably slotted into Toei DBZ timeline
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In fact no, the manga was initially promotional, if the manga was the main canon in dbs Toei would not have gone ahead, they went ahead because they already had Toriayama's notes, Toriyama gave notes to Toei and Toyotaro and they filled in the blanks with their ideas, neither is more canon than the other, they are equally valid, and what should be taken into account is the saga itself, The different events are added by Todi or Toyotaro, and there is also evidence to say that the manga and anime of dbs are both canon
If the dbs anime depended on the manga, toei would have made filler to not reach them, but they didn't do it because they were adapting Toriyama's notes, not the manga, and the manga is an adaptation of the anime since 2015
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ドラゴンボールDAIMA：6年ぶりアニメシリーズ誕生の裏側 なぜ悟空を小さくした？ - MANTANWEB（まんたんウェブ）
鳥山明さんの人気マンガが原作のアニメ「ドラゴンボール」の完全新作シリーズ「ドラゴンボールDAIMA（ダイマ）」が、フジテレビ系で10月から放送されている。「ドラゴンボール」の40…
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Maybe, but until they resolve the legal dispute they have had for years, I don't think we will have any confirmation.Maybe things would be simpler if we just went with Iyoku's idea. "Of course, Toriyama himself wrote it, so of course it's connected. That is a fact, there's nothing more to it".ドラゴンボールDAIMA：6年ぶりアニメシリーズ誕生の裏側 なぜ悟空を小さくした？ - MANTANWEB（まんたんウェブ）
鳥山明さんの人気マンガが原作のアニメ「ドラゴンボール」の完全新作シリーズ「ドラゴンボールDAIMA（ダイマ）」が、フジテレビ系で10月から放送されている。「ドラゴンボール」の40…
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From all the times they talked about Toriyama material, every company has been very open about "If Toriyama himself does it, it's canon/orthodox". The same thing happened with Dragon Ball Z Kakarot with Bandai staff saying "Toriyama himself wrote it, so this is canon lore", V-Jump also did it with DBS Broly directly calling out that since Toriyama wrote the movie he added Broly and Gogeta to the Canon. And now Iyoku when asked if Daima is connected to past works, he also went with "Toriyama wrote it, of course it is".
Be it Bandai, Shueisha, Toei, Iyoku, or whoever, they all seem very open that "If Toriyama did, it's canon". Right disputes are happening more to decide who gets to decide stuff as of now, especially after Toriyama's passing, but they all respect Toriyama's work and know that if he did something, they shouldn't change it in canon.
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Translations are up nowMaybe things would be simpler if we just went with Iyoku's idea. "Of course, Toriyama himself wrote it, so of course it's connected. That is a fact, there's nothing more to it".ドラゴンボールDAIMA：6年ぶりアニメシリーズ誕生の裏側 なぜ悟空を小さくした？ - MANTANWEB（まんたんウェブ）
鳥山明さんの人気マンガが原作のアニメ「ドラゴンボール」の完全新作シリーズ「ドラゴンボールDAIMA（ダイマ）」が、フジテレビ系で10月から放送されている。「ドラゴンボール」の40…
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Exactly.
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The OG Toei Anime also wasn't the main canon and still went alongside the OG Manga manga
One is a continuation of the OG Manga, the other is not, so one is in fact more canon to the manga than the other
Nope, DBS Anime follows DBZ Kai, and DBS Manga follows the main canon of the Original Manga, therefore... no, they are not "equaly valid", they are different continuities/different canons entirely
That isn't at thing, Toei doesn't make mangas
ok... your point? one is still canon to the OG Manga and the other is not
the manga is an adaptation of itself? what are you even talking about?
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Maybe things would be simpler if we just went with Iyoku's idea. "Of course, Toriyama himself wrote it, so of course it's connected. That is a fact, there's nothing more to it".ドラゴンボールDAIMA：6年ぶりアニメシリーズ誕生の裏側 なぜ悟空を小さくした？ - MANTANWEB（まんたんウェブ）
鳥山明さんの人気マンガが原作のアニメ「ドラゴンボール」の完全新作シリーズ「ドラゴンボールDAIMA（ダイマ）」が、フジテレビ系で10月から放送されている。「ドラゴンボール」の40…
Many were violently opposed to this basic logic.
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People claiming daima won't be cannon to both again-
I say yet again Have you not paid attention to how the franchise has been handled for over a decade now?
I say yet again Have you not paid attention to how the franchise has been handled for over a decade now?
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I mean... the DBS Manga is not canon to the Anime... nor is DBZ Kai... so
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Ya. Your still totally ignoring that the franchise has treated the super manga and anime as separate and equal canons with a favor towards the anime if anything sense it has deliberately not refenced manga only matiral in any of the movies.
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This... matters for the fact that they can still material only to one and not another, as i demonstrated in my reply, how?
Not everything canon to one is canon to the other
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Every new project in the last decade that isn't the super anime or manga is canon to both.(or is the various none canon stuff but there irrelevant to this discussion) You demonstrated nothing at all. You literally used the super manga itself as a point for see the super manga isn't canon to both the super manga and anime! that's just- it's an aurgment so bad it legitimately makes me think less of you. Of course the foundation of the 2 contunitys aren't canon to eachother then we'd have 1 canon. This shouldn't need to be said.
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Dragon Ball Minus isn't canon to DBS Anime, it is to DBS Manga
DBZ RoF Movie is not canon to the DBS Anime, it is to the DBS Manga
Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero the Movie isn't canon to DBS Manga, it is to the Anime
Also... you specified a very specific time frame now... even tho Daima being a sequel to Z is the point now, if said "Z" refers to the OG Manga, then it isn't canon to DBS Anime at all as the OG Manga is not canon to the DBS Anime at all, the last decade is not the end all of this discussion
The one speaking non sense is you as i do not even comprehend just what you are accusing me of using, so like... there is nothing for me to say here? Legit don't know what you are talking about at all
Ok, so you admit that not all that is canon to one is canon to the other then?
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I see no way to reason with you honestly. I know simply stating facts is not aurging but there is no recourse other then that here.
The movies are canon to the manga, the manga simply recaps them because people were complaining that the manga wasn't a full product and that they'd have to go and watch a movie to get the full story.
Sense you don't seem to understand. There are 2 canons. We accept this, I protest that all mainline animated content outside of the prime way those 2 canons were expanded have been canon to both for a decade. You talking about stuff from before that decade, and claiming the primary source of both canons themselves aren't canon to eachother is irrelevant to this conversation and makes me think less of you.
The dragonball manga was never a DBZ. The Z is English localization and anime exclusive this should be basic information.
The movies are canon to the manga, the manga simply recaps them because people were complaining that the manga wasn't a full product and that they'd have to go and watch a movie to get the full story.
Sense you don't seem to understand. There are 2 canons. We accept this, I protest that all mainline animated content outside of the prime way those 2 canons were expanded have been canon to both for a decade. You talking about stuff from before that decade, and claiming the primary source of both canons themselves aren't canon to eachother is irrelevant to this conversation and makes me think less of you.
The dragonball manga was never a DBZ. The Z is English localization and anime exclusive this should be basic information.
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Again with this subject of being canon or not, simply all media is canon and none is more canon than another, Dragon Ball Daima serves both the DBS anime and the DBS manga like the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie that doesn't have an arc adapted to the manga, but the movie's event happened in the manga (it even has a page)
To sum up this blah blah, Daima is an arc after the Buu saga, so it is canon for everyone, from anime to manga.
This whole mess of Kai becoming canon to super should be fixed, the DBS anime should have things taken from the manga and put things about Kai in it.
There is also a question about cosmology, there must be several blogs explaining how cosmology works, but i'm sure no one is doing this, since it has been talked about for months and nothing so far.
To sum up this blah blah, Daima is an arc after the Buu saga, so it is canon for everyone, from anime to manga.
This whole mess of Kai becoming canon to super should be fixed, the DBS anime should have things taken from the manga and put things about Kai in it.
There is also a question about cosmology, there must be several blogs explaining how cosmology works, but i'm sure no one is doing this, since it has been talked about for months and nothing so far.
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It had some writing errors But to clarify, the dbs manga is an adaptation of the anime since 2015, and it has always been said that way, in 2015 it was a promotional manga, both the anime and manga They used Toei elements in their sagas, Both are continuations of the DBZ manga,
Also I think you didn't understand the first point, the DBS anime was always ahead of the manga, but they never don't "dont want to wait for the manga" because they were using Toriyama's notes as a base.
There are also multiple mentions by Toriyama and Toyotaro that the anime is a continuation of the manga.
Translations | Dragon Ball Super: Super Start Guide - Message From Akira Toriyama
English translation of the 'Message From Akira Toriyama' introduction comment from the July 2015 'Dragon Ball Super: Super Start Guide' book
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Interview: Dragon Ball Super's Toyotarou
First he was a super-fan of Dragon Ball - now he's drawing the official manga adaption of Akira Toriyama's Dragon Ball! Find out what makes mangaka Toyotarou tick!
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I'm definitely for undoing the change with Kia. It added literally nothing of value and has seemingly just overcomplicated discussion (it's also wrong of course)
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I suppose a CRT is in order then?
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Yes let's please destroy the Kia is canon to super idea. Yes some filler characters show up, but only filler characters that toryama made for the anime... there canon because tori worte them they were just off screen and away during the events of the manga.It had some writing errors But to clarify, the dbs manga is an adaptation of the anime since 2015, and it has always been said that way, in 2015 it was a promotional manga, both the anime and manga They used Toei elements in their sagas, Both are continuations of the DBZ manga,
Also I think you didn't understand the first point, the DBS anime was always ahead of the manga, but they never don't "dont want to wait for the manga" because they were using Toriyama's notes as a base.
There are also multiple mentions by Toriyama and Toyotaro that the anime is a continuation of the manga.
Translations | Dragon Ball Super: Super Start Guide - Message From Akira Toriyama
English translation of the 'Message From Akira Toriyama' introduction comment from the July 2015 'Dragon Ball Super: Super Start Guide' book
Interview: Dragon Ball Super's Toyotarou
First he was a super-fan of Dragon Ball - now he's drawing the official manga adaption of Akira Toriyama's Dragon Ball! Find out what makes mangaka Toyotarou tick!www.animenewsnetwork.com
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I don't think the argument of the filler characters just being off screen all the time in the manga works because in Super we get a flashback of Cell blowing up King Kai's planet, showing Gregory in the scene very blatantly where he is not present at all in the manga
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Lmao
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I can only think of Sonic when I see that
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If you want to downgrade our macrocosm 2c rating to 2 space time and our speed rating to then go ahead not to mention there are some factors present in kai that also helps in 2c cosmology
Also what do you mean by complications?
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It would've also downgraded the feats for the lower Buu saga and lower saga stuff
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