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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@Ryzen7900X Should the Super Dragon Balls be used as a metric to distinguish between moons and planets? Because using the 37,196.2204 km as a metric to make that distinction for this calc, it only comes out to giving Low 5-B results. Since we currently have beginning of Saiyan Arc Goku at 5-A, I was hoping to potentially upgrade 23rd Budokai Goku up to that too since the calc has some 5-A values and it would make for a better justification for the beginning of Saiyan Arc over just saying "he's 200x weaker than his Namek Arc key"

Also, I'm still waiting for the anime's scans on these statements
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I have 2 calcs on this

One end directly calculating the super dragon balls GBE, another using this site's planet parameters site to get the GBE of a planet with that radius, gravity was assumed to be equal to Earth's (this serves as both a lowball and a kid to the fact that earthlings seen to be comfortable within a lot of the visited planets)


Gonna put it in a calc blog soon
 
Ryzen7900X said:
Anyone else feel like manga dbz is a bit lowballed considering all the different statement we have throughout cell saga and buu saga that points towards far greater scaling?
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I know there's universal statements in the buu saga (But those could easily be chalked up to being overtime, especially in hindsight either how impressive Goku and Beerus' universe destroying clash wad considered for the time it happened), but what statements does the cell saga have that could make our manga ratings lowballed? Best statement there is Cell saying he can destroy the solar system which we already accept (Although I heard there's a CRT to not scale it to his physicals anymore or something?)
 
Dust_Collector said:
but what statements does the cell saga have that could make our manga ratings lowballed? Best statement there is Cell saying he can destroy the solar system which we already accept (Although I heard there's a CRT to not scale it to his physicals anymore or something?)
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It's not the statements themselves put the fact that the calc we use is too low, my own thoughts can be summed up like this:

Cell: BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! Now I have the power to destroy the entire solar system, not just the Earth!

Proceeds to only destroy everything from the Sun to the Earth without touching Neptune, Pluto, the Kuiper Belt, or the Ort Cloud
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@Dust_Collector Also too, I quickly calced the AP to destroy the Solar System from the Sun to Pluto (which would be what Toriyama was thinking of by Solar System and it’s either 92.36462631 KiloFoe using the Perihelion or 255.2724121 KiloFoe using the Aphihelion
 
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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@Dust_Collector Also too, I quickly calced the AP to destroy the Solar System from the Sun to Pluto (which would be what Toriyama was thinking of by Solar System and it’s either 92364.62631 Foe using the Perihelion or 255272.4121 Foe using the Aphihelion
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I dont think destroying the solar system should be any lower than destroying it until neptune at least
 
Isnt the DB solar system also stated to be a galactic nebula?? IIRC Herms said it was wrong but he translated it wrongly as well so the raw text should probably get evaluated by the translators here
 
Ryzen7900X said:
Isnt the DB solar system also stated to be a galactic nebula?? IIRC Herms said it was wrong but he translated it wrongly as well so the raw text should probably get evaluated by the translators here
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dont do it jimmy

I could see ( in near future) a group of 2000 members downgrading dragonball to planet level

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Isn't that the definition of Void Manipulation?
  • Conversion to Nonexistence: The user of this ability might be capable of turning targets to nothing. This can range from only turning the matter of the target to nothing to also turning things like its energy, mind, soul, space, time and/or concept to nothing. Note that most users of this ability have not the full range of the ability. Further note that one shouldn't list a character to have resistance against this ability in total, as that requires a character to have shown resistance against every imaginable ability which can erase a target.
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Ryzen7900X said:
Isnt the DB solar system also stated to be a galactic nebula?? IIRC Herms said it was wrong but he translated it wrongly as well so the raw text should probably get evaluated by the translators here
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Nah, herms was wrong, some other translators actually corrected his interpretation of it in a better way.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Yeah, one of it applications. Check what ability is in the blue link
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It's because one of the uses is this, Void and EE are very linked, and basically all 3 uses of Void mention EE.

Also some characters in the example on the page have both (Void and EE) for the same justification as Void.

Example: Super Dimentio, Monitor-Mind The Overvoid and Exdeath

So having one doesn't cancel out the other, as long as it has something to do with "Void/Nothing". Like manipulating the void, turning something into nothing and erasing it from existence.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
That'd make every character with EE having Void Manipulation, which is not only completely meaningless but redundant to list the very same ability twice
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There's a difference.

Erasing someone from existence is just EE.

But manipulating the void, to erase someone from existence or turn them into nothing, counts as both.

The page itself shows 3 possible uses of Void Manipulation that connects with EE.

The page also gives examples of characters that have Void and EE for erasing something from existence using the void.

So I think being "redundant" is not an argument.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
There's a difference.

Erasing someone from existence is just EE.

But manipulating the void, to erase someone from existence or turn them into nothing, counts as both.

The page itself shows 3 possible uses of Void Manipulation that connects with EE.

The page also gives examples of characters that have Void and EE for erasing something from existence using the void.

So I think being "redundant" is not an argument.
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To turn someone into nothing is the entire basis of EE tho?
 
omegabronic said:
To turn someone into nothing is the entire basis of EE tho?
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Same thing for Void.

Seriously, the page itself says that even resisting Void would make you resist EE because of the mechanic of transforming the thing into void.

And one of the uses is to make something turn into nothing, which Beerus (manga) does. Beerus's in the manga is even more specific since he doesn't say that he simply erases something from existence, but rather that he turns something into nothing.

And you can have both, considering that the page itself gives us examples of characters that have both.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Same thing for Void.

Seriously, the page itself says that even resisting Void would make you resist EE because of the mechanic of transforming the thing into void.

And one of the uses is to make something turn into nothing, which Beerus (manga) does. Beerus's in the manga is even more specific since he doesn't say that he simply erases something from existence, but rather that he turns something into nothing.

And you can have both, considering that the page itself gives us examples of characters that have both.
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In fact, energy itself affects voids that lack concepts of time or space-time.

You can scale the energy of destruction that caused a distortion in the void or scale into Universe 7 itself, as there are such voids.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Same thing for Void.

Seriously, the page itself says that even resisting Void would make you resist EE because of the mechanic of transforming the thing into void.

And one of the uses is to make something turn into nothing, which Beerus (manga) does. Beerus's in the manga is even more specific since he doesn't say that he simply erases something from existence, but rather that he turns something into nothing.

And you can have both, considering that the page itself gives us examples of characters that have both.
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You do know hakai already hax Void Manip right?
 
Nullflowerblush said:
If it helps, the original text is: "地球は北銀河のはずれにある銀河星雲、太陽系に属している。"
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Yeah it seems pretty clear cut to me tbh idk how else this can be interpreted.

TiltedFN said:
Because its vsb, no way in hell anybody would let this get accepted even if it's right. Like can you imagine the outrage over 4-A cell saga? I could try if you want me to, it'll be hilarious.
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It might cause an outrage but if it’s accurate who cares? I do want it to be tried but not because I think it’ll be funny but because I think it’s correct that’s why proper translations and supporting scans are needed for a CRT like that
 
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