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Strike power is something done physically, but AP has physical feats, mentioned. So why is strike power relevant????
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Like i said, dont. There's a reason why we have them separated some characters either dont scale to their strongest attacks or have different scaling between the two due to the power system not being a UES
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That's why I said "AP/DC" should only refer to everything done non-physically. I never suggested to remove one of them. Keep both, but remove the physical stuff from AP/DC
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that...makes no sense. why would striking strength feats not be part of a character's AP?? and where did you get the idea that only stuff done non-physically is part of AP/DC?? Goku's bog clash was a punch clash and its on his profile for his justification in his AP
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Because my definition of AP/DC is everything done through non-physical power like: bombs, Ki attacks, arrows. Because the BoG is a striking power feat and AP/DC upscales from it.
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the wiki doesnt care about that. Goku's AP upscales from the feat anyway so idk what you find wrong
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It did, but my definition makes far more sense. Goku punching the SoD isn't even listed as strike power. Even though it's a physical strength feat.
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it does not. its just a much more convoluted and roundabout way to achieve the same result. Regardless the wiki isnt gonna pick it up so dont bother
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No. AP encompasses everything someone can do attack someone else. ANYTHING.
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How? It makes a clear distinction how strong someone is physically and non-physically. The same way, we have combat vs travel speed.
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Thus strike power is irrelevant
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Striking Strength is specifically only attacks done with physical strength. On mage type characters this is usually much lower than their AP which is done with spells.
You can have a 7-A AP 8-C SS character but not the other way around.
Dragon Ball characters have the same AP and SS because UES. Their casual ki blasts and punches are at the same power.
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Yes, you can. A mage has low physical strength but high AP/non-physical attack
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okay, now prove to me why goku's ki blasts cant be as strong as his BOG punches
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It can be as strong or stronger depending how much he charge . My problem is how it is listed. I just want people not to think like "Kakashi has planet level AP" and think he is physically planet level. They should have went the other staff definition. It makes far more sense, like character is 1000x LS, but in what combat or travel??
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narutoverse no longer uses a UES so you dont need to worry about that. If however Kakashi has feats of being physically on that level of attacks he will have it in his striking power and no by feats i dont mean him punching apart a planet
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But AP/DC refers to everything. So when someone says "Kakashi has planet level AP". What does that mean? Physically? With a rasegan or with the infinite gauntlet amp etc. While under mine definition it means his strongest non-physical attack is planet level
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That's exactly what I'm saying. A character can have lower SS than AP, usually mages and such have these kinds of ratings. But a character cannot have higher SS than AP, because by default AP encompasses everything the character can do including physical attacks.
AP sections in profiles can include any feat that justifies that AP rating. A 5-B rating for breaking a planet with physical strength is just as valid as a 5-B rating for breaking a planet with a spell.
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If he has physical feats of countering attacks on that level or his energy source is a UES then yes he's planet level physically as well
And once again "your definition" means nothing here so please stop repeating yourself ad nauseum.
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Agains that definition makes SS irrelevant and confusing. Under my definition AP/DC can both be greater or lesser than SS.
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Than why add physical strength feats on AP/DC? That makes no sense, it makes physical strength irrelevant. Also it less work if a character is 100% pure physical fighter
Hasty12345
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I’m not pissedHasty is gonna be pissed af when he sees the Saint Seiya thread cluttered by DB fans
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Really?
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Hasty12345
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Really really.
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So everyone is innocent then
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come on man you dont have to be so stoic and stone cold around us. We all knew you were hyped to see high 1-B Seiya
Hasty12345
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Look man, I just want Ant to give the ok to my cosmo wiki page so I can fix these fkn PROFILES DAMN IT!So everyone is innocent then
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because "your definition" is nonsense and just a roundabout way to do the same thing and no one wants to bother with it right now
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It isn't an roundabout. The same reason we have travel vs combat speed. It isn't my fault you can't comprehend it and self refuting since it includes SS, making it irrelevant. AP/DC being physical is absolutely nonsense.
Hasty12345
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Yeah but the notion I’m angry about the thread outcome is ridiculous. Realistically, I should have been the one to post it but I refused until my projects were done. The guy who posted it has been in the discord server since like day 2 and has helped with every single Saint Seiya CRT since and he really wanted to post this one, so he made an account and did just that.
I think we all know such a big CRT for someone without experience in crowd control was gonna go that way.
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Nah just the image of an angry Australian with a stick chasing everyone down is hilarious
Hasty12345
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We don’t use sticks, we use cricket bats.
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combat speed and travel speed are not the same as striking strength and AP. I dont know where you got that idea.
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Dude, AP/DC includes SS look at Sanji's profile as an example. His AP/DC has "he physically kept with King". How is that not just a physical strength feat? And his SS is just ratings with no feats. Whut.
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It is. Its also an AP feat. All SS feats are AP feats but not all AP feats will necessarily be SS feats
