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Iiirc there’s promotional material saying that too
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Dragon Ball Daima Spoiler Discussion Thread
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Ghengiroo115
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The latter, Beerus and Whis are peak Dragon Ball characters.
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SSJ Goku Mini was already superior to the Tamagami? I thought he needed SSJ2 to finish him off
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*highest rated anime episode of 2025
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You can't be this obtuse, this has to be a troll
Right beerus, the guy who has a meme for literally being a goal post?, and this was a "maybe" given by Goku, not an outright fact,
Unless another source disputes this, not only is gomah being the strongest in line with the DBZ villains power scale, it is a fact.
He was equal to/ slightly superior to the tamagami, ssj2 basically two pieced the tamagami 3
Hasty12345
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It’s beyond obtuse, it’s reflex.
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I was referring to promotional material saying that too
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No material put him above beerus definitely iirc, it was basically a "stronger than a God of destruction?" question in the title.
And again, it's Beerus
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There’s others that call him the strongest enemy ext
No shit but this proves that these statements shouldn’t be taken instantly , especially cause of hype for a new villain. Wasn’t he originally comparable to ssj3 kid goku anyway whose only 8x ssj kid goku whose >= dabura.
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I don't think anyone should climb with Beerus, Beerus gets retconned every time to get stronger every time, i think that until Gogeta, Vegito, Broly, and Jiren join forces, they won't be able to do anything against Beerus.
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Beerus being stronger than everyone is not a retcon trought.
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I don't know how it's treated here, but Beerus has yet to lose a single fight in terms of head-to-head fights against his opponents (at the very least, he lost in an arm wrestling match).
Beerus is the strongest God of destruction, if he plays around all those Gods will get beaten up by Bills (of course, if the cowardly clown wasn't hiding to avoid getting beaten up)
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He’s a moving goalpost to not powercreep him
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Ultra Instinct even
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Y'know all this discussion and I ain't seen anyone bring up how funny it is that the evil third eye can be forcibly removed if you hit Gomah 3 times in the back of the head in a row. Video game ass boss weakness I love it.
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Dude named Gomah whose weakness is an eye that you hit 3 times
Yeah real ******* slick Toriyama
Yeah real ******* slick Toriyama
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SS4 Adult Goku >>> SS3 Adult Goku >= SS3 Adult Vegeta 4x> SS2 Adult Vegeta 2x> SS1 Adult Vegeta 50x> Base Adult Vegeta > SS4 Kid Goku >>> SS3 Kid Goku > Initial (Episode 17) Third Eye Gomah > Buuhan (>42.12 MegaFoe)
That should be the main scaling for the adult versions of everybody relevant. The kid versions can just downscale SS3 Kid Goku’s multipliers. So without including the unknown SS4 multiplier, Adult Goku would be 16.848 GigaFoe in present day at his strongest (SS4).
And say it’s revealed that SS4 is like a 10x multiplier sometime in the future than the max AP for Pre-Super characters would be SS4 Adult Goku at 1.6848 TeraFoe. Only about 12x away from Baseline 4-A.
That should be the main scaling for the adult versions of everybody relevant. The kid versions can just downscale SS3 Kid Goku’s multipliers. So without including the unknown SS4 multiplier, Adult Goku would be 16.848 GigaFoe in present day at his strongest (SS4).
And say it’s revealed that SS4 is like a 10x multiplier sometime in the future than the max AP for Pre-Super characters would be SS4 Adult Goku at 1.6848 TeraFoe. Only about 12x away from Baseline 4-A.
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That's for charged attacks
Physicals is this
- Super Buu is around the same level as Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, later absorbing him adding his power to his own, and later absorbs Gohan after Gotenks defuses inside him, becoming even stronger: >10.53 MegaFoe (Solar System level)
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Ok I haven’t been following the Dragon Ball scaling for ages. Since when were physicals and charged attacks separated? Thought there was like just one value? Also how is physicals and charged attacks separated anyway? Like is there a specific number for how much higher charged attacks are compared to physicals?
I’m guessing this is because of the Saiyan Saga stuff showing that the Kamehameha, Galick Gun, and Special Beam Cannon are much stronger than their normal attacks?
I’m guessing this is because of the Saiyan Saga stuff showing that the Kamehameha, Galick Gun, and Special Beam Cannon are much stronger than their normal attacks?
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I think it was damages that made a crt about these things or null, i don't remember exactly who it was
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Nah, more like stuff since the very first Arc shows that the Kamehameha and such CAN be much, MUCH higher than one's physical stats
of course, it isn't ALWAYS, it varies(It is directly said it does in guides and shown in the likes of the Goku vs Cell fight), it depends on how much energy is condensed, the extra rating is purely for their absolutely strongest charged attacks, normally they are higher but still relative to the user
also the value there is not cuz of a specific multiplier, but upscaling from another feat done with a charged attack
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Yes, Beerus as an 'enemy' was in BoG, has nothing to do with a Beerus that we've yet to see his full power in the future
When any past villain before gomah shows the ability to appear stronger than the last time like Beerus does, then this can be taken into account, a statement is only challenged if feats shows different
No idea where you got this Dabura and ssj chibi Goku scaling from
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That’s not what the statement said tho? It said strongest enemy yet, not strongest enemy using only the power they had on earth.
Doesn’t help that dende considered kid Buu the most formidable enemy gokus ever fought……I don’t think I need to explain why that’s bullshit
Dabura = cell no?
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Dabura was amped by the Majin mark during the Buu saga tho
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I forgot about that, so would that mean ssj mini is weaker than cell then orrrr
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Why not both
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Because there won't be enough time show both off, most likely
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I bet on the Dragon's fist
RoninSlayer200
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I love X10 Kamehameha (plus, it would massively help to reach 4-A Daima Goku) but Dragon Fist is just so peak
(Unless it's ssj4 exclusive)
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Guys hear me out
Tamagami: 1
Dabura ~ Tamagami
Vegeta SSJ > Dabura
Vegeta SSJ: >1
Vegeta SSJ2: >2
Gotenks Base: >2
Gotenks SSJ: >100
Gotenks SSJ3: >800
Super Buu ~ Gotenks SSJ3
Super Buu: >800
Ultimate Gohan: >Gotenks SSJ3 and Super Buu(but weaker than Super Buu Gotenks)
Ultimate Gohan: >800
Super Buu Gotenks: >1,600
Super Buu Gohan: >2400
Gomah> Super Buu Gohan
Gomah: >2,400
Goku SSJ4 mini > Gomah
Goku SSJ4 mini: >2,400
Goku SSJ3 mini: >240
Goku SSJ2 mini: >60
Goku SSJ mini: >30
Goku Base mini: >0.6
Adult Vegeta Base: >2,400
Adult Vegeta SSJ: >120,000
Adult Vegeta SSJ3: > 960,000
Adult Goku SSJ3 ~ Adult Vegeta SSJ3
I don't know if I have any mistakes, but if it's correct, this would resolve several doubts and inconsistencies, at least that's what I think.
Tamagami: 1
Dabura ~ Tamagami
Vegeta SSJ > Dabura
Vegeta SSJ: >1
Vegeta SSJ2: >2
Gotenks Base: >2
Gotenks SSJ: >100
Gotenks SSJ3: >800
Super Buu ~ Gotenks SSJ3
Super Buu: >800
Ultimate Gohan: >Gotenks SSJ3 and Super Buu(but weaker than Super Buu Gotenks)
Ultimate Gohan: >800
Super Buu Gotenks: >1,600
Super Buu Gohan: >2400
Gomah> Super Buu Gohan
Gomah: >2,400
Goku SSJ4 mini > Gomah
Goku SSJ4 mini: >2,400
Goku SSJ3 mini: >240
Goku SSJ2 mini: >60
Goku SSJ mini: >30
Goku Base mini: >0.6
Adult Vegeta Base: >2,400
Adult Vegeta SSJ: >120,000
Adult Vegeta SSJ3: > 960,000
Adult Goku SSJ3 ~ Adult Vegeta SSJ3
I don't know if I have any mistakes, but if it's correct, this would resolve several doubts and inconsistencies, at least that's what I think.
RoninSlayer200
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Initially SSJ3 Mini Goku was above Gomah before Gomah's Accelerated Development kicked in surpassed him
This prob won't help scaling much but just wanted to point it out
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Damn just one thing ruined my scaling
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Maybe we can get an explanation of the size of makai DBZ kakarott
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Holy crap I love Super Saiyan 4
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Goku Ssj4 is powerful, he broke the makai
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