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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Zamasu is around. That's what I'm referring to. Goku isn't the reason Zamasu is an ass. Goku was just the method he went by. He will learn about the Time Rings and he knows about Zuno, who he could end up learning about the Super Dragon Balls from. And even if he doesn't that's still an evil god running around who will play the long con.
It could even be just as simple as Zamasu training himself enough to assassinate all of the Supreme Kais. He was already one of the strongest and most prodigious Kais in the multiverse.
Beerus is someone who doesn't care unless it ends up threatening him. How much destruction could Zamasu bring about before someone like Beerus stops him? Especially if he decides to use his Time Ring and (possibly) Super Dragon Balls differently? Same thing goes with other evil beings like Moro who have nothing to do with Goku and co. And we know Beerus won't care to stop Moro until U7 is in ruins.
Manga Zeno was going to erase the universes on a whim before Goku brought up the tournament. Purely out of boredom. So it's something Zeno can do at literally any moment and we know he was getting bored of the universes until he met Goku.
If he does deal with Broly he might not even end up fighting him. We see Moro passively suck up energy from planets killing every lifeform and Broly can't fight in outer space. It's entirely possible Moro would devour Vampa, along with Broly, without ever stepping foot on the planet.
Nah I sincerely doubt it. Babidi needed energy from Super Saiyans to pull that off. No one in Universe 7 is even remotely near Super Saiyan-level besides Merus and Merus not only keeps his power under wraps but could also effortlessly stop Babidi if it came to that. He's SS3+ level without using his Angel powers. There is some possibility that Merus figures out where Buu is sealed and chooses to unseal him to stop Moro but it's hard to say if he'd think of it quickly enough. And given how long it'd take I could see Moro growing too strong for Buu to defeat, forcing Merus to use his Angel powers and being erased.
The best option I could see here is Merus finding and taking Buu's egg to the HTC to unseal it ASAP then having to deal with Buu until the Grand Supreme Kai can be reawakened. But how long that'd take without Buu being purified is hard to say. Many worlds would still be wiped out in that timespan and won't be restored via Spirit Fission.
Nullflowerblush
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he relocated them to the past of their old timeline
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He relocated them to a past parallel world that was similar to the timeline that got destroyed, and warned Beerus, but not the actual past of their timeline.
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Oh shit are we randomly deciding Zeno didn't nuke the timeline
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Anime, in the manga it is more than confirmed.
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But I will bring more proof to Zen'ō
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To be honest the whole Goku Black plot line is incredibly confusing. The story implies that the future trunks we see is the same one from the cell games. But that’s impossible, because
One: Goku was dead in that timeline
Two: young Mai doesn’t exist in that timeline
According to the official dragon ball lore Goku black came from the main timeline which also makes no sense. Because trunks said 17 and 18 never changed their ways in his timeline which is obviously not true.
The only thing that makes sense is if the Trunks in the Zamasu arc is a completely different person not connected to the cell games or the main timeline. Overall I think the arc was well written but the whole timeline stuff definitely the arcs weak point.
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Even Trunks realizes that his world is already gone and there is no way to save it at that point.
That world where Trunks goes is the past of his future and not his own world. But anyway, the Dragon Ball Super website explains this in much more detail, where you return to that world is no longer yours
Furthermore, Trunks mentions that he cannot save his world.
Whis also mentions that the world where Trunks was completely destroyed and Bulma also mentions that it was destroyed
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Krillin is powerful (and an opponent he fought in the tournament)
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Gohan VS Godzilla
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they also talk about expanding to overseas which is honestly great. Akira needs to realize that a lot of DB fans aren't Japanese
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It's just that the manga literally shows that zeno erased the timeline, the anime doesn't even show the time ring being erased, which complicates proving that zeno erased the entire multiverse in the anime, but they've brought up good points anyway.
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Goku Black does come from the main timeline, we see that when he explains his story and it is a flashback of Zamasu losing to Goku, it is only that it is a timeloop, where Zamasu became Black, went to Trunks' timeline, made him come to the main timeline, made Goku go to universe 11 to fight zamasu in look for Black and then it repeats
Beerus only broke the loop
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this one implies that the world still exist to be traveled to tho
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Can you explain how the basics of time travel work? Omega doesn't seem to know how it actually works.
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i know how it works, once you travel to the past of a timeline, it splits in 2 due to the said travel
don't know why you think i didn't knew this tho
also if you thought i didn't knew why not explain yourself rather than always relying in someone else to explain?
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Stop with the potshots please
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When you time travel it‘s actually traveling to a different parallel world. I think Omega gets this as he explained the chain of Goku black coming from a different version of the main timeline where loses to Goku. (Somehow) Then, he goes to Future Trunks’ timeline making Trunks go to the main timeline and the process repeats. (It doesn’t make sense, but that’s how it’s explained in the series) The only thing he said that was wrong was that Whis traveling to a different parallel version of the timeline that was destroyed implies that the timeline still exists, which it doesn’t. It just means that Whis is traveling to a different branching timeline before the events of Goku black transpired and stopping it from happening by telling Beerus.
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Gohan VS Godzilla
For real though, it genuinely surprises me that Toho and Toei have never gotten together to create an official Dragon Ball x Godzilla crossover. Not only are Goku and Godzilla the faces of Japanese media, but Godzilla would fit in quite nicely into the franchise considering all the shit he's experienced and gone through.
Like imagine MUI Goku doing a beam clash with Burning Godzilla or something....that would go so ******* hard
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Good little brother!
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Well, in the manga the same thing happened, so I'm not sure if it really proves that.
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When you time travel and alter the past, a parallel world is created.
Where do you think the parallel world comes from? Thin air?
How did they alter the past of a timeline that no longer existed?
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in the manga we have extra more on the nose evidence with the destruction of the time ring, plus i don't remember the exact wording used in the manga version for this scene
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So if Zeno actually secretly never deleted the timeline this entire time why is he still low 1C and why hasn't a downgrade attempt been made?
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Because when I was suggesting a downgrade people attacked me, although I can see now with a good explanation it should continue to be low 1-C or we just created a manga profile for Zen'ō.
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Did they attack or did they just disagree?
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They really attacked, so I'm never going to mention a downgrade, I'll just see what happens
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It's made abundantly clear in SDBH (there was a statement talking about Zeno's erasure of Trunks timeline. I think it was Crimson who mentioned it?) and the Manga (Time Ring disappearing, Goku stating Trunk's timeline has been lost, etc.)
It would be odd if the DBS Anime didn't go the same route tbh.
It would be odd if the DBS Anime didn't go the same route tbh.
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In the manga, there is its own website stating this, among several other statements, such as from the Kaioshins,literally the manga explained everything the anime never explained to us
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That's still different timeline completely
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Baser on how it look? Probably 2-C but to unfathomable higher degree with Limited Low 1-C range.
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Yes, but that different timeline cannot exist without altering the history of Trunks and Mai's original timeline. The two are not mutually exclusive, the the former requires the latter to even exist; creating a parallel world requires one to travel back in time and rewrite history.
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If the arguement is a parallel timeline needs it OG timeline to exist after the divergence in time and events were made, I'm not entirely sure there is anything to support that. Because after the divergence it becomes its own thing, or else Zeno destroying the timeline explicitly in the manga would have also destroyed the main time line as a result since they are linked by Trunks changing time by going back to warn Goku and Co.
Divergences can happen for any given reason, so it's not unreasonable to say Trunks timelime got destroyed but there were still diverging timelines that happened for whatever reason before the events of the Goku Black arc that Trunks and Mai could be taken to.
I dunno, I'm not a timeline expert.
Divergences can happen for any given reason, so it's not unreasonable to say Trunks timelime got destroyed but there were still diverging timelines that happened for whatever reason before the events of the Goku Black arc that Trunks and Mai could be taken to.
I dunno, I'm not a timeline expert.
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Or is whis just built different to make a whole ass timeline
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in braching timelines like this the destruction of the said branch wouldn't necessarily affect the "main" one unless the verse treats it that way
also no timeline expert, so won't comment much
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