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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

I got a question for you Dragon Ball bros and gals here in the thread: In every arc presented within any form of Dragon Ball media, what would you consider to be the most horrifying moment in the franchise as a whole?

For me, while the scene with Cell absorbing the human man in front of Piccolo was genuinely gut wrenching, I think the scene where Frieza impales and tortures Krillin on one of his spikes nearly made me tear up. I don't know why it is, but just seeing Krillin being violently thrusted around on the spike while everyone is forced to watch it happen and Frieza's cackling just adds a layer of terror and fear that Frieza instills upon those who stand in his way.


If we’re dividing by each arc.

I don’t think anything too horrific happens until Goku faces the RR Army and then literally punches all the through the mutant creations’ gut in Muscle Tower.

Before that, I mean, at best you could really just say random pervy jokes.

Then you get to Tao Pai Pai killing Blue with his Tongue, the murder of Krillin, and the reversal of Mafuba (as well as consumption), of Kami. You could also put in here Kami’s resolve, because similar to Tanjiro, he was fully prepared to kill himself. (Though this in itself always confused me. If they had a life link, why couldn’t Kami kill himself to kill Piccolo if he was truly filled with such resolve?)

Z is where things get serious, though. Saiyan Saga, I’d argue would be Vegeta killing Nappa. Namek (before Frieza), would be Vegeta’s murders of Cui, Zarbon, or Dedoria. Frieza himself? Krillin horn, yeah. Cell Saga, I’d argue the most horrific thing is Cell’s attempt to lure in 18 with her brother’s voice after she watched him get eaten and was told he drank thousands. It displays just how awful and low (and frankly, sick) Cell was as a creature.

Buu Saga would definitely be the slaughter on the Lookout. Both the Human Extinction Attack and him taking out his wrath on everyone there once he escapes the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. With GT, I think Baby’s slaughter of his own people “to see what being a Saiyan is like” and then threatening them to get under Goku’s skin via a Super Galick Gun is up there. (It should also be noted that they were also all part of himself, as well). Super 17’s arc was frankly really tame. The Shadow Dragons also aren’t really “horrific.” At least, not viscerally. I think the closest you’ll get is Naturon Shenron.

Super’s arcs—From Battle of Gods to U6vU7, don’t really have horrific elements. At least, none we aren’t used to. Blowing up the planet is terrible, but it’s less horrifying the 5th time compared to the first. The darkest thing I can really think of is Frost’s business. Which is dark, but it’s not overtly so and is a told, not shown. Goku Black’s murder of Goku’s family, Bulma, etc. with his own body is pretty horrific, though. Especially since he made sure to do so personally rather than incidentally.

Generally speaking, the Zeno’s are a terrifying concept—But like Frost, nothing’s done with them so you kinda don’t feel it. Because what they are is very much what the Collector in the Owl House is. Childish, uncaring, undying, god figures that can alter the world on a mass scale with no effort whatsoever. Their whim decides fate, and that whim is fickle—With no understanding or greater comprehension of anything beyond their basic desire to play.

Same with the Manga and Moro. Conceptually pretty dark, but overall not really delivering on that outside of his general cruelty and planet consumption. Elec selling his brother’s life for power is pretty dark, though, so you could argue something like that would count.

Dunno much on SDBH/XV/DBO-Exclusive Lore, so I couldn’t say.
 
Could be reading this wrong. But from what I'm hearing Iyoku has succeeded in getting the rights to the anime and games with Capsule Corp Tokyo and seems to indicate that he wants to return to 90s-00s era Dragon Ball pumping out movies and games along with having spinoff anime.

I also feel like Iyoku sort of confirms the DBS Manga is going to be adapted eventually because he brings up the manga getting adapted to the anime and how he wants to have other anime content to establish a 'cycle' for fans to stay hooked on. I'm guessing something like Manga -> Anime Adaptation -> Movies/Spinoff Anime -> Manga -> Anime Adaptation ad infinitum.
I said I would adapt the manga into an anime and you didn't listen
 
Ehhhh, it was already just as serious with the King Piccolo and the 23rd Budokai Sagas
I mean in terms of “horrific.”

Like, Krillin’s death was definitely a serious thing, but it’s not really seriously “horrific” compared to his near death experience at the behest of Frieza’s horn.
 
I got a question for you Dragon Ball bros and gals here in the thread: In every arc presented within any form of Dragon Ball media, what would you consider to be the most horrifying moment in the franchise as a whole?

For me, while the scene with Cell absorbing the human man in front of Piccolo was genuinely gut wrenching
Ngl that moment gave me legit nightmares when I first saw it, even tho Piccolo is my favourite character I sometimes just skip Cell's early interactions with him because I still find them disturbing (honestly feels more like a Seinen than a Shonen imo).

The Future Trunks timeline in anime was definitely goes bye bye. Otherwise, why Whis bother to relocate future trunks and mai to completely new timeline instead of their old timeline
Yeah in terms of horrifying moments I feel like the sheer scope of this often gets understated or ignored: the OG timeline where most of the Z-fighters are dead, where F.Trunks had to go through pretty much every form of trauma conceivable just to create better future for the surviving Earthlings, having to deal with the Androids, Cell, Babibi, Dabura, etc only for his efforts to be rendered pointless in the end thanks to Goku Black and Zamasu killing the last of his family (his mom) and despite his best attempts to once again create a better future using time travel, the OG timeline was simply ment to be the "worst timeline" and got erased by Zeno (keep in mind all the dead Z-fighters, Earthlings, innocents, etc in the afterlife also got erased too aka "super" dead).

Now Future Trunks and Future Mai are the only survivors of the OG timeline living in an alternate world with likely survivors gulit, that's a pretty bittersweet and messed up conclusion.
 
Ngl that moment gave me legit nightmares when I first saw it, even tho Piccolo is my favourite character I sometimes just skip Cell's early interactions with him because I still find them disturbing (honestly feels more like a Seinen than a Shonen imo).


Yeah in terms of horrifying moments I feel like the sheer scope of this often gets understated or ignored: the OG timeline where most of the Z-fighters are dead, where F.Trunks had to go through pretty much every form of trauma conceivable just to create better future for the surviving Earthlings, having to deal with the Androids, Cell, Babibi, Dabura, etc only for his efforts to be rendered pointless in the end thanks to Goku Black and Zamasu killing the last of his family (his mom) and despite his best attempts to once again create a better future using time travel, the OG timeline was simply ment to be the "worst timeline" and got erased by Zeno (keep in mind all the dead Z-fighters, Earthlings, innocents, etc in the afterlife also got erased too aka "super" dead).

Now Future Trunks and Future Mai are the only survivors of the OG timeline living in an alternate world with likely survivors gulit, that's a pretty bittersweet and messed up conclusion.
The thing is that the 'original' timeline is technically the one where Cell kills Trunks and travels to the past. Even if Black never appears and Zeno never erases the universes that still leaves Moro who would break out and cause mayhem with no Majin Buu to awaken or the Z-Fighters to fight back. The only hope they'd have would be Merus sacrificing himself to kill Moro but that'd be after countless worlds (including New Namek) get wiped out. Which leaves the Heeters to pick up the scraps of Universe 7 until Zeno decides to wipe out the universes.

That seriously puts into perspective how the ONLY timeline where things work out for Universe 7 is the Present timeline created by Cell. Without that it'd end up doomed...but technically the Present timeline? Isn't the timeline of Super. Because the Present timeline ends up with Goku Black butchering Goku and his family. And probably the rest of Earth. The timeline Super takes place in was created by Trunks traveling to the past in the Black Saga and causing that to be prevented.

So...technically the original timeline from chapter 1 of DB up to Freeza's defeat on Namek was doomed by the androids. With Cell killing Future Trunks. Then Cell created the timeline we see from the Android Saga to the end of the U6 tournament and then that timeline is doomed by Zamasu swapping bodies with Goku and butchering everyone and then the timeline from the Black Saga to Super Hero was made by Trunks going back to the past and causing that to be prevented.

OG DB up to Freeza's defeat = Doomed by Androids
Androids to U6 Tournament = Created by Cell traveling to the past, Doomed by Goku Black
Black to Super Hero = Created by Trunks traveling to the past, Current timeline
 
The thing is that the 'original' timeline is technically the one where Cell kills Trunks and travels to the past. Even if Black never appears and Zeno never erases the universes that still leaves Moro who would break out and cause mayhem with no Majin Buu to awaken or the Z-Fighters to fight back. The only hope they'd have would be Merus sacrificing himself to kill Moro but that'd be after countless worlds (including New Namek) get wiped out. Which leaves the Heeters to pick up the scraps of Universe 7 until Zeno decides to wipe out the universes.

That seriously puts into perspective how the ONLY timeline where things work out for Universe 7 is the Present timeline created by Cell. Without that it'd end up doomed...but technically the Present timeline? Isn't the timeline of Super. Because the Present timeline ends up with Goku Black butchering Goku and his family. And probably the rest of Earth. The timeline Super takes place in was created by Trunks traveling to the past in the Black Saga and causing that to be prevented.

So...technically the original timeline from chapter 1 of DB up to Freeza's defeat on Namek was doomed by the androids. With Cell killing Future Trunks. Then Cell created the timeline we see from the Android Saga to the end of the U6 tournament and then that timeline is doomed by Zamasu swapping bodies with Goku and butchering everyone and then the timeline from the Black Saga to Super Hero was made by Trunks going back to the past and causing that to be prevented.

OG DB up to Freeza's defeat = Doomed by Androids
Androids to U6 Tournament = Created by Cell traveling to the past, Doomed by Goku Black
Black to Super Hero = Created by Trunks traveling to the past, Current timeline
Goku Black can't happen in Cell's timeline Goku wouldn't be alive or even have a body in the afterlife as he died to a natural cause, Beerus would also still be alive which is why Goku Black didn't invade his own timeline and went to Trunk's where Beerus is dead (that's for the manga, iicr that's the same for the anime but I don't have good memory)
 
I find it unlikely Zeno would erase the universes seeing that he didn't yet in Trunk's timeline which is yeaaaaaars after the T.o.P which is when it was supposidly gonna happen
 
Moro would also have to later deal with Broly at some point if he ever stumbles upon Vampa, which is debatable, and Babidi could find some way to gain enough energy to bring back Buu, which could also lead to a confrentation with Moro which could awaken Grand Kaioshin who could win (they were equal when they fought again, and Moro could either be weaker or stronger depending on how many more planets you think he was need to surpass his present timeline self right before that version came across Grand Kaioshin)
 
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Goku Black can't happen in Cell's timeline Goku wouldn't be alive or even have a body in the afterlife as he died to a natural cause,
Zamasu is around. That's what I'm referring to. Goku isn't the reason Zamasu is an ass. Goku was just the method he went by. He will learn about the Time Rings and he knows about Zuno, who he could end up learning about the Super Dragon Balls from. And even if he doesn't that's still an evil god running around who will play the long con.

It could even be just as simple as Zamasu training himself enough to assassinate all of the Supreme Kais. He was already one of the strongest and most prodigious Kais in the multiverse.
Beerus would also still be alive which is why Goku Black didn't invade his own timeline and went to Trunk's where Beerus is dead (that's for the manga, iicr that's the same for the anime but I don't have good memory)
Beerus is someone who doesn't care unless it ends up threatening him. How much destruction could Zamasu bring about before someone like Beerus stops him? Especially if he decides to use his Time Ring and (possibly) Super Dragon Balls differently? Same thing goes with other evil beings like Moro who have nothing to do with Goku and co. And we know Beerus won't care to stop Moro until U7 is in ruins.

I find it unlikely Zeno would erase the universes seeing that he didn't yet in Trunk's timeline which is yeaaaaaars after the T.o.P which is when it was supposidly gonna happen
Manga Zeno was going to erase the universes on a whim before Goku brought up the tournament. Purely out of boredom. So it's something Zeno can do at literally any moment and we know he was getting bored of the universes until he met Goku.

Moro would also have to later deal with Broly at some point if he ever stumbles upon Vampa, which is debatable,
If he does deal with Broly he might not even end up fighting him. We see Moro passively suck up energy from planets killing every lifeform and Broly can't fight in outer space. It's entirely possible Moro would devour Vampa, along with Broly, without ever stepping foot on the planet.
and Babidi could find some way to gain enough energy to bring back Buu, which could also lead to a confrentation with Moro which could awaken Grand Kaioshin who could win (they were equal when they fought again, and Moro could either be weaker or stronger depending on how many more planets you think he was need to surpass his present timeline self right before that version came across Grand Kaioshin)
Nah I sincerely doubt it. Babidi needed energy from Super Saiyans to pull that off. No one in Universe 7 is even remotely near Super Saiyan-level besides Merus and Merus not only keeps his power under wraps but could also effortlessly stop Babidi if it came to that. He's SS3+ level without using his Angel powers. There is some possibility that Merus figures out where Buu is sealed and chooses to unseal him to stop Moro but it's hard to say if he'd think of it quickly enough. And given how long it'd take I could see Moro growing too strong for Buu to defeat, forcing Merus to use his Angel powers and being erased.

The best option I could see here is Merus finding and taking Buu's egg to the HTC to unseal it ASAP then having to deal with Buu until the Grand Supreme Kai can be reawakened. But how long that'd take without Buu being purified is hard to say. Many worlds would still be wiped out in that timespan and won't be restored via Spirit Fission.
 
Zamasu is around. That's what I'm referring to. Goku isn't the reason Zamasu is an ass. Goku was just the method he went by. He will learn about the Time Rings and he knows about Zuno, who he could end up learning about the Super Dragon Balls from. And even if he doesn't that's still an evil god running around who will play the long con.

It could even be just as simple as Zamasu training himself enough to assassinate all of the Supreme Kais. He was already one of the strongest and most prodigious Kais in the multiverse.

Beerus is someone who doesn't care unless it ends up threatening him. How much destruction could Zamasu bring about before someone like Beerus stops him? Especially if he decides to use his Time Ring and (possibly) Super Dragon Balls differently? Same thing goes with other evil beings like Moro who have nothing to do with Goku and co. And we know Beerus won't care to stop Moro until U7 is in ruins.


Manga Zeno was going to erase the universes on a whim before Goku brought up the tournament. Purely out of boredom. So it's something Zeno can do at literally any moment and we know he was getting bored of the universes until he met Goku.


If he does deal with Broly he might not even end up fighting him. We see Moro passively suck up energy from planets killing every lifeform and Broly can't fight in outer space. It's entirely possible Moro would devour Vampa, along with Broly, without ever stepping foot on the planet.

Nah I sincerely doubt it. Babidi needed energy from Super Saiyans to pull that off. No one in Universe 7 is even remotely near Super Saiyan-level besides Merus and Merus not only keeps his power under wraps but could also effortlessly stop Babidi if it came to that. He's SS3+ level without using his Angel powers. There is some possibility that Merus figures out where Buu is sealed and chooses to unseal him to stop Moro but it's hard to say if he'd think of it quickly enough. And given how long it'd take I could see Moro growing too strong for Buu to defeat, forcing Merus to use his Angel powers and being erased.

The best option I could see here is Merus finding and taking Buu's egg to the HTC to unseal it ASAP then having to deal with Buu until the Grand Supreme Kai can be reawakened. But how long that'd take without Buu being purified is hard to say. Many worlds would still be wiped out in that timespan and won't be restored via Spirit Fission.
To be honest the whole Goku Black plot line is incredibly confusing. The story implies that the future trunks we see is the same one from the cell games. But that’s impossible, because

One: Goku was dead in that timeline

Two: young Mai doesn’t exist in that timeline

According to the official dragon ball lore Goku black came from the main timeline which also makes no sense. Because trunks said 17 and 18 never changed their ways in his timeline which is obviously not true.

The only thing that makes sense is if the Trunks in the Zamasu arc is a completely different person not connected to the cell games or the main timeline. Overall I think the arc was well written but the whole timeline stuff definitely the arcs weak point.
 
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Gohan VS Godzilla
 
Could be reading this wrong. But from what I'm hearing Iyoku has succeeded in getting the rights to the anime and games with Capsule Corp Tokyo and seems to indicate that he wants to return to 90s-00s era Dragon Ball pumping out movies and games along with having spinoff anime.

I also feel like Iyoku sort of confirms the DBS Manga is going to be adapted eventually because he brings up the manga getting adapted to the anime and how he wants to have other anime content to establish a 'cycle' for fans to stay hooked on. I'm guessing something like Manga -> Anime Adaptation -> Movies/Spinoff Anime -> Manga -> Anime Adaptation ad infinitum.
they also talk about expanding to overseas which is honestly great. Akira needs to realize that a lot of DB fans aren't Japanese
 
Oh shit are we randomly deciding Zeno didn't nuke the timeline
It's just that the manga literally shows that zeno erased the timeline, the anime doesn't even show the time ring being erased, which complicates proving that zeno erased the entire multiverse in the anime, but they've brought up good points anyway.
 
To be honest the whole Goku Black plot line is incredibly confusing. The story implies that the future trunks we see is the same one from the cell games. But that’s impossible, because

One: Goku was dead in that timeline

Two: young Mai doesn’t exist in that timeline

According to the official dragon ball lore Goku black came from the main timeline which also makes no sense. Because trunks said 17 and 18 never changed their ways in his timeline which is obviously not true.

The only thing that makes sense is if the Trunks in the Zamasu arc is a completely different person not connected to the cell games or the main timeline. Overall I think the arc was well written but the whole timeline stuff definitely the arcs weak point.
Goku Black does come from the main timeline, we see that when he explains his story and it is a flashback of Zamasu losing to Goku, it is only that it is a timeloop, where Zamasu became Black, went to Trunks' timeline, made him come to the main timeline, made Goku go to universe 11 to fight zamasu in look for Black and then it repeats

Beerus only broke the loop
 
Can you explain how the basics of time travel work? Omega doesn't seem to know how it actually works.
i know how it works, once you travel to the past of a timeline, it splits in 2 due to the said travel

don't know why you think i didn't knew this tho

also if you thought i didn't knew why not explain yourself rather than always relying in someone else to explain?
 
Can you explain how the basics of time travel work? Omega doesn't seem to know how it actually works.
When you time travel it‘s actually traveling to a different parallel world. I think Omega gets this as he explained the chain of Goku black coming from a different version of the main timeline where loses to Goku. (Somehow) Then, he goes to Future Trunks’ timeline making Trunks go to the main timeline and the process repeats. (It doesn’t make sense, but that’s how it’s explained in the series) The only thing he said that was wrong was that Whis traveling to a different parallel version of the timeline that was destroyed implies that the timeline still exists, which it doesn’t. It just means that Whis is traveling to a different branching timeline before the events of Goku black transpired and stopping it from happening by telling Beerus.
 
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Gohan VS Godzilla
The last thing Gohan sees before he's vaporized hahahahaha

For real though, it genuinely surprises me that Toho and Toei have never gotten together to create an official Dragon Ball x Godzilla crossover. Not only are Goku and Godzilla the faces of Japanese media, but Godzilla would fit in quite nicely into the franchise considering all the shit he's experienced and gone through.

Like imagine MUI Goku doing a beam clash with Burning Godzilla or something....that would go so ******* hard
 
When you time travel it‘s actually traveling to a different parallel world. I think Omega gets this as he explained the chain of Goku black coming from a different version of the main timeline where loses to Goku. (Somehow) Then, he goes to Future Trunks’ timeline making Trunks go to the main timeline and the process repeats. (It doesn’t make sense, but that’s how it’s explained in the series) The only thing he said that was wrong was that Whis traveling to a different parallel version of the timeline that was destroyed implies that the timeline still exists, which it doesn’t. It just means that Whis is traveling to a different branching timeline before the events of Goku black transpired and stopping it from happening by telling Beerus.
Good little brother!
 
He relocated them to a past parallel world that was similar to the timeline that got destroyed, and warned Beerus, but not the actual past of their timeline.
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When you time travel it‘s actually traveling to a different parallel world.
When you time travel and alter the past, a parallel world is created.
Where do you think the parallel world comes from? Thin air?

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How did they alter the past of a timeline that no longer existed?
 
Well, in the manga the same thing happened, so I'm not sure if it really proves that.
in the manga we have extra more on the nose evidence with the destruction of the time ring, plus i don't remember the exact wording used in the manga version for this scene
 
So if Zeno actually secretly never deleted the timeline this entire time why is he still low 1C and why hasn't a downgrade attempt been made?
 
So if Zeno actually secretly never deleted the timeline this entire time why is he still low 1C and why hasn't a downgrade attempt been made?
Because when I was suggesting a downgrade people attacked me, although I can see now with a good explanation it should continue to be low 1-C or we just created a manga profile for Zen'ō.
 
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