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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
Ngl that moment gave me legit nightmares when I first saw it, even tho Piccolo is my favourite character I sometimes just skip Cell's early interactions with him because I still find them disturbing (honestly feels more like a Seinen than a Shonen imo).


Yeah in terms of horrifying moments I feel like the sheer scope of this often gets understated or ignored: the OG timeline where most of the Z-fighters are dead, where F.Trunks had to go through pretty much every form of trauma conceivable just to create better future for the surviving Earthlings, having to deal with the Androids, Cell, Babibi, Dabura, etc only for his efforts to be rendered pointless in the end thanks to Goku Black and Zamasu killing the last of his family (his mom) and despite his best attempts to once again create a better future using time travel, the OG timeline was simply ment to be the "worst timeline" and got erased by Zeno (keep in mind all the dead Z-fighters, Earthlings, innocents, etc in the afterlife also got erased too aka "super" dead).

Now Future Trunks and Future Mai are the only survivors of the OG timeline living in an alternate world with likely survivors gulit, that's a pretty bittersweet and messed up conclusion.
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The thing is that the 'original' timeline is technically the one where Cell kills Trunks and travels to the past. Even if Black never appears and Zeno never erases the universes that still leaves Moro who would break out and cause mayhem with no Majin Buu to awaken or the Z-Fighters to fight back. The only hope they'd have would be Merus sacrificing himself to kill Moro but that'd be after countless worlds (including New Namek) get wiped out. Which leaves the Heeters to pick up the scraps of Universe 7 until Zeno decides to wipe out the universes.

That seriously puts into perspective how the ONLY timeline where things work out for Universe 7 is the Present timeline created by Cell. Without that it'd end up doomed...but technically the Present timeline? Isn't the timeline of Super. Because the Present timeline ends up with Goku Black butchering Goku and his family. And probably the rest of Earth. The timeline Super takes place in was created by Trunks traveling to the past in the Black Saga and causing that to be prevented.

So...technically the original timeline from chapter 1 of DB up to Freeza's defeat on Namek was doomed by the androids. With Cell killing Future Trunks. Then Cell created the timeline we see from the Android Saga to the end of the U6 tournament and then that timeline is doomed by Zamasu swapping bodies with Goku and butchering everyone and then the timeline from the Black Saga to Super Hero was made by Trunks going back to the past and causing that to be prevented.

OG DB up to Freeza's defeat = Doomed by Androids
Androids to U6 Tournament = Created by Cell traveling to the past, Doomed by Goku Black
Black to Super Hero = Created by Trunks traveling to the past, Current timeline
 
CryoTheMayo said:
The thing is that the 'original' timeline is technically the one where Cell kills Trunks and travels to the past. Even if Black never appears and Zeno never erases the universes that still leaves Moro who would break out and cause mayhem with no Majin Buu to awaken or the Z-Fighters to fight back. The only hope they'd have would be Merus sacrificing himself to kill Moro but that'd be after countless worlds (including New Namek) get wiped out. Which leaves the Heeters to pick up the scraps of Universe 7 until Zeno decides to wipe out the universes.

That seriously puts into perspective how the ONLY timeline where things work out for Universe 7 is the Present timeline created by Cell. Without that it'd end up doomed...but technically the Present timeline? Isn't the timeline of Super. Because the Present timeline ends up with Goku Black butchering Goku and his family. And probably the rest of Earth. The timeline Super takes place in was created by Trunks traveling to the past in the Black Saga and causing that to be prevented.

So...technically the original timeline from chapter 1 of DB up to Freeza's defeat on Namek was doomed by the androids. With Cell killing Future Trunks. Then Cell created the timeline we see from the Android Saga to the end of the U6 tournament and then that timeline is doomed by Zamasu swapping bodies with Goku and butchering everyone and then the timeline from the Black Saga to Super Hero was made by Trunks going back to the past and causing that to be prevented.

OG DB up to Freeza's defeat = Doomed by Androids
Androids to U6 Tournament = Created by Cell traveling to the past, Doomed by Goku Black
Black to Super Hero = Created by Trunks traveling to the past, Current timeline
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Goku Black can't happen in Cell's timeline Goku wouldn't be alive or even have a body in the afterlife as he died to a natural cause, Beerus would also still be alive which is why Goku Black didn't invade his own timeline and went to Trunk's where Beerus is dead (that's for the manga, iicr that's the same for the anime but I don't have good memory)
 
I find it unlikely Zeno would erase the universes seeing that he didn't yet in Trunk's timeline which is yeaaaaaars after the T.o.P which is when it was supposidly gonna happen
 
Moro would also have to later deal with Broly at some point if he ever stumbles upon Vampa, which is debatable, and Babidi could find some way to gain enough energy to bring back Buu, which could also lead to a confrentation with Moro which could awaken Grand Kaioshin who could win (they were equal when they fought again, and Moro could either be weaker or stronger depending on how many more planets you think he was need to surpass his present timeline self right before that version came across Grand Kaioshin)
 
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Ednaxel2 said:
Goku Black can't happen in Cell's timeline Goku wouldn't be alive or even have a body in the afterlife as he died to a natural cause,
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Zamasu is around. That's what I'm referring to. Goku isn't the reason Zamasu is an ass. Goku was just the method he went by. He will learn about the Time Rings and he knows about Zuno, who he could end up learning about the Super Dragon Balls from. And even if he doesn't that's still an evil god running around who will play the long con.

It could even be just as simple as Zamasu training himself enough to assassinate all of the Supreme Kais. He was already one of the strongest and most prodigious Kais in the multiverse.
Ednaxel2 said:
Beerus would also still be alive which is why Goku Black didn't invade his own timeline and went to Trunk's where Beerus is dead (that's for the manga, iicr that's the same for the anime but I don't have good memory)
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Beerus is someone who doesn't care unless it ends up threatening him. How much destruction could Zamasu bring about before someone like Beerus stops him? Especially if he decides to use his Time Ring and (possibly) Super Dragon Balls differently? Same thing goes with other evil beings like Moro who have nothing to do with Goku and co. And we know Beerus won't care to stop Moro until U7 is in ruins.

Ednaxel2 said:
I find it unlikely Zeno would erase the universes seeing that he didn't yet in Trunk's timeline which is yeaaaaaars after the T.o.P which is when it was supposidly gonna happen
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Manga Zeno was going to erase the universes on a whim before Goku brought up the tournament. Purely out of boredom. So it's something Zeno can do at literally any moment and we know he was getting bored of the universes until he met Goku.

Ednaxel2 said:
Moro would also have to later deal with Broly at some point if he ever stumbles upon Vampa, which is debatable,
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If he does deal with Broly he might not even end up fighting him. We see Moro passively suck up energy from planets killing every lifeform and Broly can't fight in outer space. It's entirely possible Moro would devour Vampa, along with Broly, without ever stepping foot on the planet.
Ednaxel2 said:
and Babidi could find some way to gain enough energy to bring back Buu, which could also lead to a confrentation with Moro which could awaken Grand Kaioshin who could win (they were equal when they fought again, and Moro could either be weaker or stronger depending on how many more planets you think he was need to surpass his present timeline self right before that version came across Grand Kaioshin)
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Nah I sincerely doubt it. Babidi needed energy from Super Saiyans to pull that off. No one in Universe 7 is even remotely near Super Saiyan-level besides Merus and Merus not only keeps his power under wraps but could also effortlessly stop Babidi if it came to that. He's SS3+ level without using his Angel powers. There is some possibility that Merus figures out where Buu is sealed and chooses to unseal him to stop Moro but it's hard to say if he'd think of it quickly enough. And given how long it'd take I could see Moro growing too strong for Buu to defeat, forcing Merus to use his Angel powers and being erased.

The best option I could see here is Merus finding and taking Buu's egg to the HTC to unseal it ASAP then having to deal with Buu until the Grand Supreme Kai can be reawakened. But how long that'd take without Buu being purified is hard to say. Many worlds would still be wiped out in that timespan and won't be restored via Spirit Fission.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
Zamasu is around. That's what I'm referring to. Goku isn't the reason Zamasu is an ass. Goku was just the method he went by. He will learn about the Time Rings and he knows about Zuno, who he could end up learning about the Super Dragon Balls from. And even if he doesn't that's still an evil god running around who will play the long con.

It could even be just as simple as Zamasu training himself enough to assassinate all of the Supreme Kais. He was already one of the strongest and most prodigious Kais in the multiverse.

Beerus is someone who doesn't care unless it ends up threatening him. How much destruction could Zamasu bring about before someone like Beerus stops him? Especially if he decides to use his Time Ring and (possibly) Super Dragon Balls differently? Same thing goes with other evil beings like Moro who have nothing to do with Goku and co. And we know Beerus won't care to stop Moro until U7 is in ruins.


Manga Zeno was going to erase the universes on a whim before Goku brought up the tournament. Purely out of boredom. So it's something Zeno can do at literally any moment and we know he was getting bored of the universes until he met Goku.


If he does deal with Broly he might not even end up fighting him. We see Moro passively suck up energy from planets killing every lifeform and Broly can't fight in outer space. It's entirely possible Moro would devour Vampa, along with Broly, without ever stepping foot on the planet.

Nah I sincerely doubt it. Babidi needed energy from Super Saiyans to pull that off. No one in Universe 7 is even remotely near Super Saiyan-level besides Merus and Merus not only keeps his power under wraps but could also effortlessly stop Babidi if it came to that. He's SS3+ level without using his Angel powers. There is some possibility that Merus figures out where Buu is sealed and chooses to unseal him to stop Moro but it's hard to say if he'd think of it quickly enough. And given how long it'd take I could see Moro growing too strong for Buu to defeat, forcing Merus to use his Angel powers and being erased.

The best option I could see here is Merus finding and taking Buu's egg to the HTC to unseal it ASAP then having to deal with Buu until the Grand Supreme Kai can be reawakened. But how long that'd take without Buu being purified is hard to say. Many worlds would still be wiped out in that timespan and won't be restored via Spirit Fission.
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To be honest the whole Goku Black plot line is incredibly confusing. The story implies that the future trunks we see is the same one from the cell games. But that’s impossible, because

One: Goku was dead in that timeline

Two: young Mai doesn’t exist in that timeline

According to the official dragon ball lore Goku black came from the main timeline which also makes no sense. Because trunks said 17 and 18 never changed their ways in his timeline which is obviously not true.

The only thing that makes sense is if the Trunks in the Zamasu arc is a completely different person not connected to the cell games or the main timeline. Overall I think the arc was well written but the whole timeline stuff definitely the arcs weak point.
 
Zen'ō mentions world twice in a row and world in Dragon suggests parallel worlds, at least that's the context used here
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Even Trunks realizes that his world is already gone and there is no way to save it at that point.



Although they can return to their world, it is not the same world that Trunks lived in, but another parallel world before Kaioshin dies (and Shin dies against Babidi in the Boo arc )
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That world where Trunks goes is the past of his future and not his own world. But anyway, the Dragon Ball Super website explains this in much more detail, where you return to that world is no longer yours

So in Dragon Ball, the future where the Androids run rampant and the one where they're defeated are actually completely separate universes?
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Prof. Futamase: That's right. If you successfully travelled to the past then attempted to return back to the point in time you started from, the universe you arrive to would not be your original one, but a parallel world where you had travelled to the past. You'd essentially be in a new universe with a different history.
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Furthermore, Trunks mentions that he cannot save his world.



Whis also mentions that the world where Trunks was completely destroyed and Bulma also mentions that it was destroyed
 
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Gohan VS Godzilla
 
CryoTheMayo said:
Could be reading this wrong. But from what I'm hearing Iyoku has succeeded in getting the rights to the anime and games with Capsule Corp Tokyo and seems to indicate that he wants to return to 90s-00s era Dragon Ball pumping out movies and games along with having spinoff anime.

I also feel like Iyoku sort of confirms the DBS Manga is going to be adapted eventually because he brings up the manga getting adapted to the anime and how he wants to have other anime content to establish a 'cycle' for fans to stay hooked on. I'm guessing something like Manga -> Anime Adaptation -> Movies/Spinoff Anime -> Manga -> Anime Adaptation ad infinitum.
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they also talk about expanding to overseas which is honestly great. Akira needs to realize that a lot of DB fans aren't Japanese
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Oh shit are we randomly deciding Zeno didn't nuke the timeline
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It's just that the manga literally shows that zeno erased the timeline, the anime doesn't even show the time ring being erased, which complicates proving that zeno erased the entire multiverse in the anime, but they've brought up good points anyway.
 
ChoursDropoff said:
To be honest the whole Goku Black plot line is incredibly confusing. The story implies that the future trunks we see is the same one from the cell games. But that’s impossible, because

One: Goku was dead in that timeline

Two: young Mai doesn’t exist in that timeline

According to the official dragon ball lore Goku black came from the main timeline which also makes no sense. Because trunks said 17 and 18 never changed their ways in his timeline which is obviously not true.

The only thing that makes sense is if the Trunks in the Zamasu arc is a completely different person not connected to the cell games or the main timeline. Overall I think the arc was well written but the whole timeline stuff definitely the arcs weak point.
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Goku Black does come from the main timeline, we see that when he explains his story and it is a flashback of Zamasu losing to Goku, it is only that it is a timeloop, where Zamasu became Black, went to Trunks' timeline, made him come to the main timeline, made Goku go to universe 11 to fight zamasu in look for Black and then it repeats

Beerus only broke the loop
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Can you explain how the basics of time travel work? Omega doesn't seem to know how it actually works.
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i know how it works, once you travel to the past of a timeline, it splits in 2 due to the said travel

don't know why you think i didn't knew this tho

also if you thought i didn't knew why not explain yourself rather than always relying in someone else to explain?
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Can you explain how the basics of time travel work? Omega doesn't seem to know how it actually works.
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When you time travel it‘s actually traveling to a different parallel world. I think Omega gets this as he explained the chain of Goku black coming from a different version of the main timeline where loses to Goku. (Somehow) Then, he goes to Future Trunks’ timeline making Trunks go to the main timeline and the process repeats. (It doesn’t make sense, but that’s how it’s explained in the series) The only thing he said that was wrong was that Whis traveling to a different parallel version of the timeline that was destroyed implies that the timeline still exists, which it doesn’t. It just means that Whis is traveling to a different branching timeline before the events of Goku black transpired and stopping it from happening by telling Beerus.
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
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Gohan VS Godzilla
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The last thing Gohan sees before he's vaporized hahahahaha

For real though, it genuinely surprises me that Toho and Toei have never gotten together to create an official Dragon Ball x Godzilla crossover. Not only are Goku and Godzilla the faces of Japanese media, but Godzilla would fit in quite nicely into the franchise considering all the shit he's experienced and gone through.

Like imagine MUI Goku doing a beam clash with Burning Godzilla or something....that would go so ******* hard
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
When you time travel it‘s actually traveling to a different parallel world. I think Omega gets this as he explained the chain of Goku black coming from a different version of the main timeline where loses to Goku. (Somehow) Then, he goes to Future Trunks’ timeline making Trunks go to the main timeline and the process repeats. (It doesn’t make sense, but that’s how it’s explained in the series) The only thing he said that was wrong was that Whis traveling to a different parallel version of the timeline that was destroyed implies that the timeline still exists, which it doesn’t. It just means that Whis is traveling to a different branching timeline before the events of Goku black transpired and stopping it from happening by telling Beerus.
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Good little brother!
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
He relocated them to a past parallel world that was similar to the timeline that got destroyed, and warned Beerus, but not the actual past of their timeline.
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TheGodOfICE777 said:
When you time travel it‘s actually traveling to a different parallel world.
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When you time travel and alter the past, a parallel world is created.
Where do you think the parallel world comes from? Thin air?

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How did they alter the past of a timeline that no longer existed?
 
Kroneii1 said:
Well, in the manga the same thing happened, so I'm not sure if it really proves that.
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in the manga we have extra more on the nose evidence with the destruction of the time ring, plus i don't remember the exact wording used in the manga version for this scene
 
So if Zeno actually secretly never deleted the timeline this entire time why is he still low 1C and why hasn't a downgrade attempt been made?
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
So if Zeno actually secretly never deleted the timeline this entire time why is he still low 1C and why hasn't a downgrade attempt been made?
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Because when I was suggesting a downgrade people attacked me, although I can see now with a good explanation it should continue to be low 1-C or we just created a manga profile for Zen'ō.
 
It's made abundantly clear in SDBH (there was a statement talking about Zeno's erasure of Trunks timeline. I think it was Crimson who mentioned it?) and the Manga (Time Ring disappearing, Goku stating Trunk's timeline has been lost, etc.)

It would be odd if the DBS Anime didn't go the same route tbh.
 
Quantu said:
It's made abundantly clear in SDBH (there was a statement talking about Zeno's erasure of Trunks timeline. I think it was Crimson who mentioned it?) and the Manga (Time Ring disappearing, Goku stating Trunk's timeline has been lost, etc.)

It would be odd if the DBS Anime didn't go the same route tbh.
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In the manga, there is its own website stating this, among several other statements, such as from the Kaioshins,literally the manga explained everything the anime never explained to us
 


So cells base form can easily beat all the GoD all at once, while his UI can fight a Moro who won and absorbed all Universe 7 minus whis and even absorbed Super Shenron too

So what tier is his base form and UI?
 
Spinoirr said:


So cells base form can easily beat all the GoD all at once, while his UI can fight a Moro who won and absorbed all Universe 7 minus whis and even absorbed Super Shenron too

So what tier is his base form and UI?
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Baser on how it look? Probably 2-C but to unfathomable higher degree with Limited Low 1-C range.
 
NishizumiShiho said:
That's still different timeline completely
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Yes, but that different timeline cannot exist without altering the history of Trunks and Mai's original timeline. The two are not mutually exclusive, the the former requires the latter to even exist; creating a parallel world requires one to travel back in time and rewrite history.
 
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