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You can manipulate the soul through ki, we have plenty of sources for that.
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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It has spatial manipulation as well for that screen funny enough
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Hakai should also have creation, the Gods of destruction can also create, Beerus said that himself (in the Universe 6 arc), we see Toppo's hakai create nebulae and stars too
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what are you talking about? i suspect which thing is, but just to be sure
when?
you mean when he simply altered the color of the world of void? he didn't created any stars
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It seems that Kid Buu is stronger than the other versions of Buu (remembering that this is the Toei anime)
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Oh, it's you, I'm going to stay away so as not to create a fight.
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Majin Buu (Toei)
Majin Buu is an ancient force of destruction that has existed since time immemorial, cycling between periods of rampaging and hibernation. The evil mage Bibidi used him to destroy planets and wipe out civilizations. However, Bibidi was killed before he could fully control Majin Buu, leaving him...
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fights are not created unless you create them, really, what do you have against me so badly? in all of your crts i participated in you immediatly put me in disagree even when i didn't disagreed with anything at that point, mocked and insulted me when i had done nothing, and when people start to talk back at you for it, you simply stops to talk to me altogether? why are you in your mind so overly scared that i will start a fight with you anytime i possibly question anything you say? what put in your head that i even want to fight you in the first place?
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Nah opponents get a pass for shitty behavior but that doesn't make supporters doing it okay. Luffy stop antagonizing omega.
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y'all gotta stop engaging with luffy oml
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I got a question for you Dragon Ball bros and gals here in the thread: In every arc presented within any form of Dragon Ball media, what would you consider to be the most horrifying moment in the franchise as a whole?
For me, while the scene with Cell absorbing the human man in front of Piccolo was genuinely gut wrenching, I think the scene where Frieza impales and tortures Krillin on one of his spikes nearly made me tear up. I don't know why it is, but just seeing Krillin being violently thrusted around on the spike while everyone is forced to watch it happen and Frieza's cackling just adds a layer of terror and fear that Frieza instills upon those who stand in his way.
For me, while the scene with Cell absorbing the human man in front of Piccolo was genuinely gut wrenching, I think the scene where Frieza impales and tortures Krillin on one of his spikes nearly made me tear up. I don't know why it is, but just seeing Krillin being violently thrusted around on the spike while everyone is forced to watch it happen and Frieza's cackling just adds a layer of terror and fear that Frieza instills upon those who stand in his way.
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I haven't watched the anime in a long long long time. But I vividly recall that when Goku and Future Trunks went back to Trunks' timeline, there was nothing left but a void and Future Zeno floating around aimlessly. And Whis couldn't bring Mai and Trunks back to their timeline, instead opting to take them to a completely different timeline before Goku Black could pull off his Zero Mortal Plan, so I think it's generally clear that Future Zeno did indeed wipe out Future Trunks' timeline entirely
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I'm not even doing anything
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Like Ginyū switching bodies, and possibly Gotenks' ghosts. But it's better to focus on Hakai.
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Actually the very last person to be talking about civility.
Just don't assume him asking questions in the future is him automatically disagreeing with a crt, okay?
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Laughing a lot about this, I remember Null creating a crt to mock me, but let's not talk about the past.
This is called shortening time
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But still, just don't do it.
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This makes sense, I found it curious that the official anime timeline mentions that zeno destroyed the future universe, although it possibly refers to the entire timeline.
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Yes it was, multiple times I think. But the most blatant piece of evidence is that the Time Ring connected to the Future Timeline that existed in the main timeline literally got erased as a side-effect. Zeno erased the whole thing, time-space included.
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It didn't hit in tell like a week or 2 ago Gotenks really pulled a technique out of no where creating live bombs with their own personality.
Also does he actually turn you into a energy ball?
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Now that i opened my youtube i see from where you got that statement lol
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The Future Trunks timeline in anime was definitely goes bye bye. Otherwise, why Whis bother to relocate future trunks and mai to completely new timeline instead of their old timeline
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Could be reading this wrong. But from what I'm hearing Iyoku has succeeded in getting the rights to the anime and games with Capsule Corp Tokyo and seems to indicate that he wants to return to 90s-00s era Dragon Ball pumping out movies and games along with having spinoff anime.
I also feel like Iyoku sort of confirms the DBS Manga is going to be adapted eventually because he brings up the manga getting adapted to the anime and how he wants to have other anime content to establish a 'cycle' for fans to stay hooked on. I'm guessing something like Manga -> Anime Adaptation -> Movies/Spinoff Anime -> Manga -> Anime Adaptation ad infinitum.
I also feel like Iyoku sort of confirms the DBS Manga is going to be adapted eventually because he brings up the manga getting adapted to the anime and how he wants to have other anime content to establish a 'cycle' for fans to stay hooked on. I'm guessing something like Manga -> Anime Adaptation -> Movies/Spinoff Anime -> Manga -> Anime Adaptation ad infinitum.
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So non stop dragon ball content Let's go
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Oh God.
Dragon Ball’s about to become Eastern Capeshit…Neverending, constantly upscaling, content.
(This is a joke. Do not take serious.)
Dragon Ball’s about to become Eastern Capeshit…Neverending, constantly upscaling, content.
(This is a joke. Do not take serious.)
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I was just gonna pull up at your house for this
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If we’re dividing by each arc.
I don’t think anything too horrific happens until Goku faces the RR Army and then literally punches all the through the mutant creations’ gut in Muscle Tower.
Before that, I mean, at best you could really just say random pervy jokes.
Then you get to Tao Pai Pai killing Blue with his Tongue, the murder of Krillin, and the reversal of Mafuba (as well as consumption), of Kami. You could also put in here Kami’s resolve, because similar to Tanjiro, he was fully prepared to kill himself. (Though this in itself always confused me. If they had a life link, why couldn’t Kami kill himself to kill Piccolo if he was truly filled with such resolve?)
Z is where things get serious, though. Saiyan Saga, I’d argue would be Vegeta killing Nappa. Namek (before Frieza), would be Vegeta’s murders of Cui, Zarbon, or Dedoria. Frieza himself? Krillin horn, yeah. Cell Saga, I’d argue the most horrific thing is Cell’s attempt to lure in 18 with her brother’s voice after she watched him get eaten and was told he drank thousands. It displays just how awful and low (and frankly, sick) Cell was as a creature.
Buu Saga would definitely be the slaughter on the Lookout. Both the Human Extinction Attack and him taking out his wrath on everyone there once he escapes the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. With GT, I think Baby’s slaughter of his own people “to see what being a Saiyan is like” and then threatening them to get under Goku’s skin via a Super Galick Gun is up there. (It should also be noted that they were also all part of himself, as well). Super 17’s arc was frankly really tame. The Shadow Dragons also aren’t really “horrific.” At least, not viscerally. I think the closest you’ll get is Naturon Shenron.
Super’s arcs—From Battle of Gods to U6vU7, don’t really have horrific elements. At least, none we aren’t used to. Blowing up the planet is terrible, but it’s less horrifying the 5th time compared to the first. The darkest thing I can really think of is Frost’s business. Which is dark, but it’s not overtly so and is a told, not shown. Goku Black’s murder of Goku’s family, Bulma, etc. with his own body is pretty horrific, though. Especially since he made sure to do so personally rather than incidentally.
Generally speaking, the Zeno’s are a terrifying concept—But like Frost, nothing’s done with them so you kinda don’t feel it. Because what they are is very much what the Collector in the Owl House is. Childish, uncaring, undying, god figures that can alter the world on a mass scale with no effort whatsoever. Their whim decides fate, and that whim is fickle—With no understanding or greater comprehension of anything beyond their basic desire to play.
Same with the Manga and Moro. Conceptually pretty dark, but overall not really delivering on that outside of his general cruelty and planet consumption. Elec selling his brother’s life for power is pretty dark, though, so you could argue something like that would count.
Dunno much on SDBH/XV/DBO-Exclusive Lore, so I couldn’t say.
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I think an employee
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I said I would adapt the manga into an anime and you didn't listen
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Ehhhh, it was already just as serious with the King Piccolo and the 23rd Budokai Sagas
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I mean in terms of “horrific.”
Like, Krillin’s death was definitely a serious thing, but it’s not really seriously “horrific” compared to his near death experience at the behest of Frieza’s horn.
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Ngl that moment gave me legit nightmares when I first saw it, even tho Piccolo is my favourite character I sometimes just skip Cell's early interactions with him because I still find them disturbing (honestly feels more like a Seinen than a Shonen imo).
Yeah in terms of horrifying moments I feel like the sheer scope of this often gets understated or ignored: the OG timeline where most of the Z-fighters are dead, where F.Trunks had to go through pretty much every form of trauma conceivable just to create better future for the surviving Earthlings, having to deal with the Androids, Cell, Babibi, Dabura, etc only for his efforts to be rendered pointless in the end thanks to Goku Black and Zamasu killing the last of his family (his mom) and despite his best attempts to once again create a better future using time travel, the OG timeline was simply ment to be the "worst timeline" and got erased by Zeno (keep in mind all the dead Z-fighters, Earthlings, innocents, etc in the afterlife also got erased too aka "super" dead).
Now Future Trunks and Future Mai are the only survivors of the OG timeline living in an alternate world with likely survivors gulit, that's a pretty bittersweet and messed up conclusion.
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The Android/Start of Cell Saga was brutal ngl
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The thing is that the 'original' timeline is technically the one where Cell kills Trunks and travels to the past. Even if Black never appears and Zeno never erases the universes that still leaves Moro who would break out and cause mayhem with no Majin Buu to awaken or the Z-Fighters to fight back. The only hope they'd have would be Merus sacrificing himself to kill Moro but that'd be after countless worlds (including New Namek) get wiped out. Which leaves the Heeters to pick up the scraps of Universe 7 until Zeno decides to wipe out the universes.
That seriously puts into perspective how the ONLY timeline where things work out for Universe 7 is the Present timeline created by Cell. Without that it'd end up doomed...but technically the Present timeline? Isn't the timeline of Super. Because the Present timeline ends up with Goku Black butchering Goku and his family. And probably the rest of Earth. The timeline Super takes place in was created by Trunks traveling to the past in the Black Saga and causing that to be prevented.
So...technically the original timeline from chapter 1 of DB up to Freeza's defeat on Namek was doomed by the androids. With Cell killing Future Trunks. Then Cell created the timeline we see from the Android Saga to the end of the U6 tournament and then that timeline is doomed by Zamasu swapping bodies with Goku and butchering everyone and then the timeline from the Black Saga to Super Hero was made by Trunks going back to the past and causing that to be prevented.
OG DB up to Freeza's defeat = Doomed by Androids
Androids to U6 Tournament = Created by Cell traveling to the past, Doomed by Goku Black
Black to Super Hero = Created by Trunks traveling to the past, Current timeline
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Goku Black can't happen in Cell's timeline Goku wouldn't be alive or even have a body in the afterlife as he died to a natural cause, Beerus would also still be alive which is why Goku Black didn't invade his own timeline and went to Trunk's where Beerus is dead (that's for the manga, iicr that's the same for the anime but I don't have good memory)
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Moro would also have to later deal with Broly at some point if he ever stumbles upon Vampa, which is debatable, and Babidi could find some way to gain enough energy to bring back Buu, which could also lead to a confrentation with Moro which could awaken Grand Kaioshin who could win (they were equal when they fought again, and Moro could either be weaker or stronger depending on how many more planets you think he was need to surpass his present timeline self right before that version came across Grand Kaioshin)
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