Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Uncle Akira Toriyama worked on the most beautiful woman in Dragon Ball

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Original Manga and both the DBS anime and mango

It's not there yet, what do I need to be considered canon?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I'm not referring to him, but rather what is considered to be canon in a work here at vsbttles, you know?

It's not there yet, what do I need to be considered canon?

Oh, then idk.

This was after Hit used Pure Progress to extend Time-Skip from 0.1 seconds to 0.5 seconds, though. Goku was unable to predict that. Or, maybe Hit landed strikes in Time-Skip. Idk.

Null, you have more vsbttles time, What is considered in the work to be canon and the requirements?

 

[Vietthai96]

Game canon to game, not to Toei, DBS. That why Game has it own verse page

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Null, you have more vsbttles time, What is considered in the work to be canon and the requirements?

I've been here for, like, two months.

Dragon Ball (manga), Dragon Ball Super (manga), and Dragon Ball Super (anime); apparently, the manga and anime adaptations of Super are to be cross-referenced because they branch off of the original series simultaneously.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Game canon to game, not to Toei, DBS. That why Game has it own verse page

It's not about the game

 

[Nierre]

Kid Goku profile isn't toei.

that doesn't answer the question

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

that doesn't answer the question

They be working on givin Toei Goku a Kid Goku tabber

 

[Omegabronic]

Wouldn't that help a little more?

Vados already debunked thia by saying that it isn't time stop at all

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Estou aqui há uns dois meses.

Dragon Ball (mangá), Dragon Ball Super (mangá) e Dragon Ball Super (anime); aparentemente, as adaptações de Super para mangá e anime devem ser cruzadas porque se ramificam da série original simultaneamente.

2020'-'

You said some very useful things, but not always when it's a manga or anime, it's canonical for the work, for something to be considered at least canonical, it has to go through the author and he has to work hard on it, the objective of this question is exactly to find out what what Wiki considers canon here, and what possible to keep something as "canon"

For example, Toei licenses an anime from a famous series, but in no way has any involvement with the creator, for me this is the definition of non-canon things

And for you what is considered canon or non-canon?

 

[CryoTheMayo]

I just think Hitto should have a page explaining Hit's abilities, I know it has more than three inhabitants, time stop, time cage ( It can slow down users with its manipulation), and the time jump, where it moves a few seconds into the future.

I agree. His abilities are too complex by normal Dragon Ball standards and have too many implications to not have a proper breakdown for wiki use.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Vados already debunked thia by saying that it isn't time stop at all

I don't remember the exact episode, but it must be 71, Hitto says that stops time

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I agree. His abilities are too complex by normal Dragon Ball standards and have too many implications to not have a proper breakdown for wiki use.

I think it's time someone suitable did that

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I agree. His abilities are too complex by normal Dragon Ball standards and have too many implications to not have a proper breakdown for wiki use.

The ability is quite literally skipping time.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Limited Space-Time I don't know why this is limited, Hitto takes the time of the Universe and creates a parallel world according to vados

 

[StekFence]

Idk, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me at least how you can predict that sort of thing, since the time user sees you as frozen anyway. It's weird.

As far as I see it, it’s just “normal” prediction Since he’s predicting where hit will be in some time.

 

[TiltedFN]

As far as I see it, it’s just “normal” prediction Since he’s predicting where hit will be in some time.

Definitely not just normal lol, hit is literally appearing in the future.

 

[Omegabronic]

This guy is less credible than Vados

Retconed

I don't remember the exact episode, but it must be 71, Hitto says that stops time

He said that he can stop time, however he didn't said that it was with his time skip, vados herself said that it isn't next episode after this

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Hit basically has Diavolo's ability

 

[TiltedFN]

I dont understand why this is a big deal, clearly hit can do multiple things with his time skip, which includes time stop

 

[Omegabronic]

I dont understand why this is a big deal, clearly hit can do multiple things with his time skip, which includes time stop

Is there anything saying that his time stop is the same technique as his time skip?

 

[TiltedFN]

Is there anything saying that his time stop is the same technique as his time skip?

his time skip is explained multiple times, he can stop it, skip it, store it, and some other shit

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Limited Space-Time I don't know why this is limited, Hitto takes the time of the Universe and creates a parallel world according to vados

Limited because Hit can only create the Tides of Time with time accumulated by usage of Time-Skip maybe.

 

[TiltedFN]

Limited because Hit can only create the Tides of Time with time accumulated by usage of Time-Skip maybe.

it shouldn't really be limited because HIT is 2-C, so he should have it regardless of time skip

 

[TiltedFN]

Yo who wins this? Cell with gt goku absorbed or super 17?

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Taking a read through the manga, I find it interesting that Whis refers to Hit's Time Skip as the 'same Time Control' that he has. And later in the manga Vados even explains Hit's Time Lag (Which he states isn't Time Skip) by saying he can't freeze Jiren with his level of power (Time Skip's weakness) but he can still slow him.

I think there is a strong implication that Time Skip is just a sub-application of a broader 'Time Control' ability that the Angels all seem to know. Hit can use it to skip time by 0.1 seconds and later use it to slow a target's time but Whis can rewind time by up to 3 minutes via Temporal Do-Over and accelerate aging.

I guess what I'm getting at is that if Hit's Time Skip and Time Lag are considered the 'same ability' by Whis, it would mean Hit could evolve his Time Control to Angel-levels to keep up with powercreep. It could also mean that Angels can use Time Skip and Time Lag, since they are just applications of Time Control. Maybe Whis can Time Skip by 3 minutes and Hit could reach that level?

To clarify I'm not saying anything for the wiki. Just speculating for the manga story.

 

[Tyranno223]

Taking a read through the manga, I find it interesting that Whis refers to Hit's Time Skip as the 'same Time Control' that he has. And later in the manga Vados even explains Hit's Time Lag (Which he states isn't Time Skip) by saying he can't freeze Jiren with his level of power (Time Skip's weakness) but he can still slow him.

I think there is a strong implication that Time Skip is just a sub-application of a broader 'Time Control' ability that the Angels all seem to know. Hit can use it to skip time by 0.1 seconds and later use it to slow a target's time but Whis can rewind time by up to 3 minutes via Temporal Do-Over and accelerate aging.

I guess what I'm getting at is that if Hit's Time Skip and Time Lag are considered the 'same ability' by Whis, it would mean Hit could evolve his Time Control to Angel-levels to keep up with powercreep. It could also mean that Angels can use Time Skip and Time Lag, since they are just applications of Time Control. Maybe Whis can Time Skip by 3 minutes and Hit could reach that level?

To clarify I'm not saying anything for the wiki. Just speculating for the manga story.

In theory, Angels would get some solid time hax with this stuff. Manga only of course, and we only have one angel profile, but still.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Shouldn't Angels from manga get Time Manipulation from RoF arc, or in the promotional manga wasn't included how Frieza blew up the Earth? Anyway, it could give manga angels cool abilities. Idk if Merus'd scale, though

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

'Hit stops time'

'Erm, retconned'

Only on this thread bro we get people trying to debunk things even though there is no arguement being made

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

'Hit stops time'

'Erm, retconned'

Only on this thread bro we get people trying to debunk things even though there is no arguement being made

Just talk and no arguments/proofs

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Shouldn't Angels from manga get Time Manipulation from RoF arc, or in the promotional manga wasn't included how Frieza blew up the Earth? Anyway, it could give manga angels cool abilities. Idk if Merus'd scale, though

We don't have a manga profile

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Just talk and no arguments/proofs

Erm, says who?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

'Hit stops time'

'Erm, retconned'

Here ya go!

 

[RedReaper616]

It is in sub to

No, it’s not in Sub. I broke down the statements a page or two ago, and pointed out that the “Prediction” they refer to in Sub is whatever he was doing in Kaioken specifically, as King Kai is referring to gamble he made alongside it to keep up with Hit.

Meaning the “ordinary” Predictions he was doing before the Kaioken that is separate—Something that makes total sense when you consider Goku’s been predicting attacks from enemy master Martial Artists since OG DB—Him predicting now and messing himself up just straight up doesn’t make sense on a tangible level. Considering that, Goku’s “Predictions,” according to King Kai, wasn’t just him predicting Hit—But rather him predicting “…a few seconds in time/reading things ahead.”

Which is why I suggested it be Limited Precog.

 

[Rez]

Only on this thread bro we get people trying to debunk things even though there is no arguement being made

It's dragon ball, no arguments need to be made for an argument to occur.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

It's dragon ball, no arguments need to be made for an argument to occur.

It's been a long time since I've seen you,from the infinite Zamasu thread.

 

[Rez]

It's been a long time since I've seen you,from the infinite Zamasu thread.

Yeah I don't visit here a lot these days and when I do it's just me lurking around. Job and college eat most of my time.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Yeah I don't visit here a lot these days and when I do it's just me lurking around. Job and college eat most of my time.

I understand, before I stopped working I was having the same routine, but now I'm on vacation and I'm going to get a lot of rest

I recommend a good rest too, bro

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Here ya go!

This would be a slam dunk if Hit didn't stop time for people in broad daylight against Jiren and during a job. That was my point, saying it's retconned is an awful arguement, because he can both skip and stop time.

So like, it's not a retcon, Hit's time skip.... skips time.

Truly the biggest retcon of all time.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Yeah there is no skipping. We physically see him move during his stored time like the event where he killed the mafia boss.



He can even stop people selectively and let others function normally. Also I wonder what Jiren broke exactly.