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What are you waffling about? He literally DID bro. You saying infinite zamasu doesnt have it is just head canon bruh.
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
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Guess he does have mid-godly negation!
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I can probably change that.
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Switch to a timeline/future where he doesn't use time stop.
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Doesn't even work like that, when has almighty even been shown to work like that? He alters the future and it becomes a reality in the main one, he picks one of the possible futures, like to revive himself.
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Omnipresence counters
Given that stats are equal as well
Goku's Omnipresence would have range equal to the Almighty's range
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So
Immortality 5 (from DBS manga angels), Mid-Godly Regen, Mid-Godly Regen Negation, AE 1, NEP 1 NPI, Time Stop, and Passive Reality Warping, Power Null, and Sealing...
How does Composite Bleach beat this?
Immortality 5 (from DBS manga angels), Mid-Godly Regen, Mid-Godly Regen Negation, AE 1, NEP 1 NPI, Time Stop, and Passive Reality Warping, Power Null, and Sealing...
How does Composite Bleach beat this?
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So his HDE is on a 2-A scale...? How is that fair.
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it doesn't
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even if it wasn't, how would 2-A fate manip even hurt goku?
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Stats are equal all across the board my friend
Benefits and Disadvantages occur for all parties
Stats equal is what is preventing Ichigo from being speed blitzed lolol
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But there was no chance in first place if his HDE was equal to Almighty's range. Existence is way more busted than range. Existing on a 2-A scale means anything that happens is irrelevant.
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bro even if we didnt give hde 2-A range, what would change? How would the almighty affect it in the first place?
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Change the timeline which his HDE is bound to since he is literally a universe.
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Bleach characters hold on EE 4D?
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destroying the universe wont get rid of him bro, he will still remain, and can almighty even do that? Change the entire timelines, instead of just changes within it? Yhwach has 2-A fate hax based on range, because it can reach into those timelines and change events within them, not actually change or destroy the entire timeline.
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Like is said, we have to look at what yhwach actually used the almighty for, which was placing traps behind ichigos feat and breaking his bankai, which btw was only wielded by a 4-B ichigo at the moment.
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I never said destroy the universe. He can change events of entire timeline which would have to effect IZ.
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He can slightly alter the future, if he can do it on a scale as massive as removing or even affected a HDE being, i highly doubt it, and should be questoned.
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Also listen. The entire point of the match is also invalidated when you realize IZ stuff has to be tier 2 no matter what. He isn't some being who has 4 spatial dimensions. He is literally the entire universe. Space and time.
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This is relevant how?
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Said changes to timeline/causality should be IZ's very being. Therefore he is directly changing him
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In fact, this will not stop infinite Zamasu, destroying will not kill him, it takes EE which affects abstraction to erase Zamasu.
If it was up to destroying the universe only Goku could have done that and Zamasu was erased on a massive scale.
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Defeats entire point of equalized stats.
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If IZ HDE has to give him tier 2 AP and dura and hax are also equalized to each other. Then everyone else has to have 4D existence and durability/AP due to nature on how they work.
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Almighty hasn't been shown to directly affect people with the almighty or HDE beings, this was already went over,
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It's basic logic dude. If a dude is an entire timeline being able to affect the timeline should logically affect the dude who is the timeline.
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Well OOF
I would have Assumed Ichigo would have been able to do something with Book of the End to just Manipulate the Past to prevent Goku from going Abstract....
But then I remembered that Goku would have Acausal 1 so even Past Manipulation would not stop him, not to mention goku would also have access to Duplication and Time Travel.
I suppose the most Ichigo could do is just become nonexistent and stay nonexistent
Oh wait already created a counter to that, Void Hax can interact, Bleach EE resistance is Limited so likely gets Steamrolled by Hakai EE and Memory Wiping would not work due to IP2
The Miracle's Regen is also countered by Regen Negation
And Abstract Interaction is something no one in bleach can do and even if they could Goku could counter with Infinite Time Stop
My Goodness
Well I'll be damned Composite DB Hax can beat Bleach
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Never would've of thought lol
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Like I said, affecting the timeline doesn't get rid of IZ, and Fate Manipulation is the ability to manipulate destiny itself to achieve a desired result. More subtle forms of the ability can simply nudge events in the users favor while more powerful variations can make it possible to ordain one's victory against their opponent. He cant affect the entire timelines, its 2-A because he can reach them and affect the events within them.
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Goku has randomness type 1 and he is unaffected by changes in the past (with time ring)
And he can go into any future that Ichigo tries to change.
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This is unfortunately true and not true
Your right and wrong at the same time but mostly right
In IZ case as a living timeline..
If you nuked the Timeline then the Abstraction would survive as you lack the NPI to affect them.... however they would be Incapped as you essentially nuked what their Abstraction covers.
So timeline nuking would not kill IZ, but it would leave him alive in a state where he pretty much cant do anything at all
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Wasn't even trying to argue timeline nuking. Just that change the timeline so that Ichigo could fully use his NEP.
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He can't do this via almighty tho, thats not how it works, so goku still slams before yhwach even has a chance to destroy the universe, and isnt zamasu 2-C because of fusing with the entire macrocosm, which yhwach cant destroy all at once, he would have to go one by one, and he would already be negged because ichigo would require time to do it, which he doesnt have in this case because of time stop.
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Robots like Pirate Robot dont have Ki lol
They cant even be sensed due to completely lacking life energy
If Goku (using IZ's AE) had his correct range of 2-C
Then yeah, timeline swapping would carry you to a timeline where another Goku who has also become Abstract would be since Almighty is meant to take you into the Future and if Goku is already existing as an Abstract entity in the present then going to another future would be a Future in which he's already Abstract since him becoming Abstract already happened and Ichigo cant change the past?
I actually dont know
If Abstract Goku already exists in the present then if Ichigo used Almighty to go to another timeline.... wouldn't he just to another timeline where another Abstract Goku is already present since every possibility the Almighty sees is a future of the current existing present in which Goku is already Abstract?
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Uhhh... maybe?
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Which gets countered by time stop instantly, and we dont know if that would even affect HDE or AE 1
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Ichigo can just alter the future slighty to win, just look at all the showings of the almighty when he alters the future, none of that implies he could bring forth a future where IZ doesn't exist
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Great
Then even against 2-C range, the Almighty would do little favors
He would not be able to bring forth a future where Abstract Goku would not exist because the Almighty specifically changes the future. Even if we do apply Timeline swapping, Abstract Goku already exists in the present and any future Ichigo would go to would simply has it's own Future Variant of Abstract Goku regardless
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