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So basically it's a stomp against dragon ball. The hax from big 3 is pretty insane.
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Why has no one tried to upgrade soul manipulation through Ki? Since Ki in the work is mentioned as a spirit and many times when expending all of its Ki the user dies, Ki is literally the soul of the DB characters, without it not even plants or living beings can live
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Because that's not enough to gain soul manipulation lol
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Correct. Simply energy manipulation, which they already have.
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Finding out what can be used to win
Cause each verse has something the other doesn't
Your just way to use to brute forcing to win rather than thinking outside the box
DB has AE and HDE due to IZ
Mid-Godly Regen
Time Stop (something none of the verses resist unbelivably)
And various other means of winning that are easy to come up with if your creative enough to find those hidden gems of abilities
I already came up with ways to stomp the Big 3 lol
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Bleach has mid-godly regen and mid-godly regen negation. Ichibe's powers can be used to power null to where time stop is irrelevant and it incaps AE and HDE
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Well this means goku has mid godly regen which nobody in the big 3 can ever counter, mid godly and immortality type 3 neg, Acausality type 1 because of the time ring, things like layered time skip which the big 3 can likely not resist as potent as goku's. Hakai shield so good luck actually touching him with any attack or hax. Inorganic physiology because of janemba and some type of law manipulation iirc with janemba, zeno EE can erase abstract beings and negate mid godly so wouldn't goku just win off the bat? He has sealing from whis which can trap all the other 3, yhwach 2-A fate manip is kinda ass when you actually look at the way he used it, he only used it to set traps around ichigos feet, psuedo teleportation via altering the future. He used it to get rid of orihime shield, but never to actually affect somebody directly, naruto and luffy are just not in the equation here, so its basically gokus hax vs ichigo with all hax, fsf could get rid of the hoguoku and im not sure if it could be destroyed or not, with equal stats and all, resistance to time stop, i don't see how anybody is beating goku here, i cant lie.
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Yhwach only has mid godly regen neg with aushwalen which only affects qunicys. Wouldn't take away goku's, and doenst this mean goku has arales plot manip?
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plot manip was restricted
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ah alright
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I'd like to say it doesn't work but yeah it does since it's Conceptual Power Null and no other verse resist Power Null on a Conceptual Level
Why would he be able to Incap AE and HDE beings thou?
Ichibei never displayed capability affect them?
Is there any particular reason why he would be capable of doing so now?
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Conceptual incap.
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hes never displayed that at all, we havent even seen HDE in bleach lol, and the conceptual stuff only works if the black inc has covered you
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Aren't the concepts pretty much 4D though?
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On the tiering system, it says conceptual manip has limits, ichibei has never been shown to be able to affect HDE beings, so we shouldn't assume he can. And i don't know if they are or not
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Also Ichibei has to actively move to use Conceptual Power Null
Its nothing thought based or passive
While Goku would have Guldo's Time Stop which can simply be activated by holding his breath
And with Self Sustenance Type 1 plus Infinite Stamina, Goku can hold his breath endlessly and keep Time Stop activated basically forever
And with no resistance to time stop, Conceptual Power Null is a WIncon that would never be reach since active movements are still needed to trigger it
No doubt goku can hold his breath faster than Ichigo would be able to use Ichimonji
Its nothing thought based or passive
While Goku would have Guldo's Time Stop which can simply be activated by holding his breath
And with Self Sustenance Type 1 plus Infinite Stamina, Goku can hold his breath endlessly and keep Time Stop activated basically forever
And with no resistance to time stop, Conceptual Power Null is a WIncon that would never be reach since active movements are still needed to trigger it
No doubt goku can hold his breath faster than Ichigo would be able to use Ichimonji
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thats a good point, infinite guldo time stop is actually OP, and with whis abilites, cant he just seal yhwach since he has no immortality type 4 neg?
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Does nobody in bleach even have a limited resistance to time stop?
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Dunno if The Visionary would help against AE with NEP interaction.
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There's also NEP Nature 1 and 3 and aspect 1 and 3
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Yeah goku likely wins here
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What about NEP?
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whats that stand for?
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Nonexistent Physiology
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If that's included then Composite DB should get Arale's abilities. There was no reason to restrict it. This is a comparison of composite characters, after all
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Nope
AE =/= NEP
Also Visionary cant do shit in Time Stop
Which he would need time to activate
And also once the Vanishing Point is used at stage 2/3, Ichigo would basically become incapable of fighting until he makes himself existent again
At which point Time Stop still becomes his Achilles Heel
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im not really knowledgeable on the topic, but wouldn't sealing still counter this? Or absorbtion because of majin buus abilites? Somebody educate me
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Ah, the hax layer is also Equalized. I understand.
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If it was activated sealing or majin buus ability would not work. They would need feats of interacting with NEP 1 beings.
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Yeah Sure...........................................
Let's give Goku Script Powers because that's Totally Fair and would not make the match an auto-win
Vanishing Point allows the user to become physically nonexistent
Goku would not be able to seal and/or absorb literal nothingness
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NEP Type 1 still exists
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Doesn't goku have void manip because of toppo? Which literally interacts with nothing, would that affect NEP Type 1 beings?
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Plot Manipulation can work against NEP 1 so long as they dont lack Aspect 5 Narrative
Because that would still mean even though they dont physically exist, they still exist within the contents of the narrative which is what your affecting
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Making something nothing because of EE and interacting with nothing are pretty different.
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No, things like hakai can warp the entire world of void which is just nothing, thats why its void manip on the profiles, so from your description, would this not negate NEP type 1?
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? When was World of Void treated like literal nothingness?
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That's why Power of Destruction has Void Manipulation. The Null Realm is treated as a void of nothingness
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So goku interacts with NEP type 1 so nothing changes here.
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That I suppose would work to interact with them (assuming Goku would even know or remember Ichigo at all)
Vanishing Point Stage 3 erases the User from Memory and no one in DB to my knowledge resist Memory Hax
So if Ichigo went NEP, Goku would not remember him to use the Hakai in the first place
And even then, that would only serve for as much as interaction but not erasure since again, Ichigo would have EE ressitance
Although you could potentially argue Goku would have Inorganic Physiology Type 2 due to Robots and they resist various form of mental hax and Vanishing Point having no feats of Memory Haxing Robots
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