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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
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How many universes does Touhou scale to?
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50+, last I saw. Would have to ask Fujiwara.
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Try to find that would start the scaling from Buuhan for Supes if that’s correct
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Seems like only some things can from Kai can be used and not much
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Curious question
Imagine a composite free for all...
Composite DB (Goku with all abilities and resistances ever used in DB, DBZ (Canon and Toei (except GT) & DBS Anime)
Composite Naruto (Naruto with all abilities and resistances ever used in Naruto, Shippuden and Boruto up till now)
Composite Bleach (Ichigo with all abilities and resistances ever used in Bleach, TYBW and Novels)
Composite One Piece (Luffy with all abilities and resistances ever used in One Piece up till now)
All Statistics Equal....
Who would you recon would take it
Imagine a composite free for all...
Composite DB (Goku with all abilities and resistances ever used in DB, DBZ (Canon and Toei (except GT) & DBS Anime)
Composite Naruto (Naruto with all abilities and resistances ever used in Naruto, Shippuden and Boruto up till now)
Composite Bleach (Ichigo with all abilities and resistances ever used in Bleach, TYBW and Novels)
Composite One Piece (Luffy with all abilities and resistances ever used in One Piece up till now)
All Statistics Equal....
Who would you recon would take it
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This is only a convo because no Xeno shit
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Probably Goku unless Ichigo got some shit ion know about
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I’d assume Naruto or bleach hax stomp
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What makes you think he would take it?
He'd have Yhwach's Almighty Fate Shenanigans
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Neither can kill Abstract/Higher Dimensional Beings (AFAIK) and Goku would get that from IZ
Plus Goku would have Wish Hax due to Shenrons
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Only thing impressive I can recall from Naruto hax wise is that I think Tsb’s have Ee or sum and power Null Luffy pretty much only has Toon force with gear 5 but idk much about ichigos fate hax so he could maybe outhax
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Stats equal and all of them have some Reality Warping Resistance so Wish Hax would not work to kill them
Luffy Im not sure about..... I think someone in one piece must have RW resistance
People in Naruto and Bleach definitely have RW resistance
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Goku has rw resistance?
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Ichigo would also have NEP due to Vanishing Point
Naruto would have HDE as well due to Shibai Otsutsuki
Luffy would have..... I dont think anyone in OP has any impressive states of being
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If anyone in DB, DBZ Canon and Toei or DBS Anime has reality warping resistance then Goku would have it as well as he's a composite for all abilities and resistances across the board
Naruto and Ichigo would also have it because both verses have characters that resist reality warping
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Ah I see I thoughtit was the just the version of that character composited
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NGL it would be an interesting debate
Im tempted to make a FnG for it at some point just to see who would really come out on top cause IDK
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That scene is right after Piccolo explains that the Gammas are the type to adapt as they fight. As in he's explaining what's about to happen to the audience so we understand why Gamma 1 is suddenly stronger than Gohan. I don't understand how the context can be missed.
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Uhh with Ichibe and sternritter hax I'm pretty sure they can do something against IZ. (incap at worst)
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Time Hax via Hit and Guldo
And I don’t think any Bleach character has time stop resistance so that’s an advantage against those things
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Missing context. Gohan was just starting to realise Gamma 1 was misled and, again, the entire point that the Gammas grow as they fight. Something that is spelled out. So not only is Gohan not trying to kill Gamma 1 but Gamma 1 is also capable of adapting to Gohan's power. There's also that context where have Gamma 1 state he can fight at full power whereas Gohan loses power with lowering stamina.
So to iterate:
- Gohan wasn't trying to kill Gamma 1.
- Gamma 1 grows as he fights (as stated by Piccolo and then illustrated in the immediate following scene)
- It's stated that Gamma 1 doesn't lose power in long fights whereas Gohan does, meaning he isn't actually fighting at full power (and evidently Ultimate must take significant stamina to trigger, seeing as he needed the rage boost)
Again, this scene is used to explain to the audience why Gamma 1 is suddenly overpowering Gohan. It's Piccolo analysing the fight and realising how Gamma 1 works. That's the purpose of the exposition.
From my perspective no one has provided any real evidence that the Gammas were holding back in these fights. You're just handwaving what Piccolo states and asserting that the Gammas are holding back and we were told they adapt because...why? Why would they tell us that then show Gohan get overpowered? What purpose would that have narratively? Did Gamma 1 need to be the 'type that adapts' to use more of his power against Gohan arbitrarily?
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I suppose in the end this debate doesn't really matter. Base Gohan and Base Piccolo are still treated as 2-C and my argument that Base Goten and Trunks scale to fighting alongside SS1 Gohan and Ultimate Piccolo holds up regardless. No matter how you interpret Gamma 1 and 2 they still both fought SS1 Gohan and Ultimate Piccolo, struggled and then powered up (whether suppressing or adapting) to then stomp them around.
If you want to try and contest that more with Goten and Trunks as 'outliers' then fine. I only care for what the manga scaling ends up being and if it goes the way of the movie it will be more consistent since Manga 18 should be 2-C via OG-73 and Saganbo scaling, leaving Krillin as the only non 2-C in the fight
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I don't think so it's gonna work on living timeline
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Toyotaro please give the battleboard community some love ...
Give base Goku a martial art technique that ignors durability ... then he would be the perfect fighter in my eyes . Goku got some counters to said hax but the answer I always get is: "Its not a martial arts technique"
Base Goku is already nigh untouchable but everyone and their mother got a martial art ability which ignors convential durability, so 1 mistake could be the end
Maybe it wouldnt really fit Gokus style; hes a natural born warrior so he aint ok with it ...
Give base Goku a martial art technique that ignors durability ... then he would be the perfect fighter in my eyes . Goku got some counters to said hax but the answer I always get is: "Its not a martial arts technique"
Base Goku is already nigh untouchable but everyone and their mother got a martial art ability which ignors convential durability, so 1 mistake could be the end
Maybe it wouldnt really fit Gokus style; hes a natural born warrior so he aint ok with it ...
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composite DB got multiple Shenrons and the strongest SS can grant any wish
Now add Arales toon force
Nuff said
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An easy way to do this is just giving Goku Granolah's precision weak point attacks. (just say he copied it from being a master martial artist). But he can't use it as well as Granolah since he doesn't have Granolah'sToyotaro please give the battleboard community some love ...
Give base Goku a martial art technique that ignors durability ... then he would be the perfect fighter in my eyes . Goku got some counters to said hax but the answer I always get is: "Its not a martial arts technique"
Base Goku is already nigh untouchable but everyone and their mother got a martial art ability which ignors convential durability, so 1 mistake could be the end
Maybe it wouldnt really fit Gokus style; hes a natural born warrior so he aint ok with it ...
Effectively Goku has to guess where his enemies's weak points is. So he can't just go MUI and insta kill someone with it.
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Idea for Goku hax
Process of getting it.
1. Have Goku go to Yardrat again to further enhance his Spirit Control.
2. Goku trains on King Kai's planet again to practice using Spirit Bomb more efficiently.
3. Goku training to maintain his heart purity as much as possible in his Super Saiyan transformations.
The hax: Spirit Infusion Technique
Goku goes to his base form and stands still to absorb natural Genki into his body. Instead of forming a Genkidama, he instead infuses Genki to be mixed with his internal Ki. Enhancing his power and providing some additional techniques.
1. The power boost depends on how much Genki Goku absorbed. At its weakest it's equivalent to Kaioken times 10. At its strongest it's equivalent to Super Saiyan Blue (this basically requires the equivalent amount of Genki that Goku's Spirit Bomb used against Kid Buu or Jiren). This is an additive boost, not a multiplicative one. The power boost is less when used with any Super Saiyan transformation except Super Saiyan God.
2. This technique costs 0 stamina, even when Goku is extremely weakened this technique will still provide the same amount of power boost as it will at Goku normally.
3. When Goku is using this technique, he can inject his opponent's body with Genki, if they are not pure of heart, they will take instant damage that negates durability. Pure evil beings can have entire sections of their body evaporated with just a single strike. It also hinders regeneration.
4. Goku has a passive Genki aura around his body when using this technique, attacks that are done with malicious intent are weakened or negated entirely.
5. Has a short time limit of 5-10 minutes.
Process of getting it.
1. Have Goku go to Yardrat again to further enhance his Spirit Control.
2. Goku trains on King Kai's planet again to practice using Spirit Bomb more efficiently.
3. Goku training to maintain his heart purity as much as possible in his Super Saiyan transformations.
The hax: Spirit Infusion Technique
Goku goes to his base form and stands still to absorb natural Genki into his body. Instead of forming a Genkidama, he instead infuses Genki to be mixed with his internal Ki. Enhancing his power and providing some additional techniques.
1. The power boost depends on how much Genki Goku absorbed. At its weakest it's equivalent to Kaioken times 10. At its strongest it's equivalent to Super Saiyan Blue (this basically requires the equivalent amount of Genki that Goku's Spirit Bomb used against Kid Buu or Jiren). This is an additive boost, not a multiplicative one. The power boost is less when used with any Super Saiyan transformation except Super Saiyan God.
2. This technique costs 0 stamina, even when Goku is extremely weakened this technique will still provide the same amount of power boost as it will at Goku normally.
3. When Goku is using this technique, he can inject his opponent's body with Genki, if they are not pure of heart, they will take instant damage that negates durability. Pure evil beings can have entire sections of their body evaporated with just a single strike. It also hinders regeneration.
4. Goku has a passive Genki aura around his body when using this technique, attacks that are done with malicious intent are weakened or negated entirely.
5. Has a short time limit of 5-10 minutes.
BlastX
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Goku says when talking about the fusion dance for the first time that the being created from it is far above their components full potential or something.
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Which Goku expression do you prefer?
Oliver_de_jesus
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Why I'm so sure that Toei removed their fight scene, maybe because of hackersI wan to eraser my mind
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Keep in mind that Naruto, Goku and Ichigo would have EE Hax and no one (to my knowledge) in one piece resist EE
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Naruto and Ichigo would resist RW so wish Hax wouldn’t do much directly against them
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Hmmm...well goku now has Mid godly regen/mid godly regen neg. Can survive any mortal/fatal wounds, and exists purely a will. Has passive hakai aura so good luck effecting him. Has busted RPL/AD so he blitzes and AP stomp. And if we are using Manga, he has FSF which will make any absorbed power/fusion useless. Plus RW and EE so....i don't see how anynone is beating him.
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So Goku would have all the powers of the verse? Ichigo, Naruto, and Luffy do absolutely nothing, they take passive plotKeep in mind that Naruto, Goku and Ichigo would have EE Hax and no one (to my knowledge) in one piece resist EE
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If we think that Goku will have all the abilities of the verse, even Zamasu's omnipresence, Arale's script manipulation, Super Shenron's reality manipulation, there is no character that can beat Goku in the Naruto verse, Bleach or One Piece. Goku just with his presence kills everyone.
SirAlex09
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TBF he was the first one to fall anyway even without that hahahaha
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And who in DB has plot Hax now?
Because if you think I’m gonna allow him to use Arale then no she’s restricted for the sake of making the match fair
I believe bleach characters have the same thing
Naruto would have HDE to counter and Ichigo would have NEP to counter
Both Naruto and Ichigo resist EE
Compulsory, Yourself and Miracle in Bleach negates any advantage Goku could get with RPL
We aren’t using DBS manga
Both are resisted by Naruto and Ichigo as both verses have characters that’s resist RW and EE
2-C omnipresence is hard countered by 2-A range almighty
Restricted for sake of fairness
Doesn’t work, resisted by Naruto and Ichigo
Debatable
