- 4,940
- 1,841
This wouldn’t even be wanked considering it’s clear cut. Ill wait for more opinions before I make a CRT.If this wank were to pass then Goku and Trunks get high-godly regen negation
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
- Start date
- 12,154
- 6,103
I don't know, it looks like it will suffer a relegation soon '-'
thetechmaster36
He/Him- 1,823
- 1,740
All that and you're still going to (soon) get solo'd by 4th wall incarnate
for all intents and purposes, this is 50% a joke
- 12,154
- 6,103
Tori-Bot sola the verse
- 6,773
- 6,683
Does Plot Manipulation-Based EE constitute High-Godly in the context of Dr. Slump?
thetechmaster36
He/Him- 1,823
- 1,740
- 12,154
- 6,103
It doesn't have it yet, it's yet to be finished :3
It scales with every DB cosmology it should get at least 1-C with everything :3
he is like the One-Above-All or The Presence in DB
Last edited:
- 2,712
- 3,501
Do you think everything is wank? Because that's what it seems likeIf this wank were to pass then Goku and Trunks get high-godly regen negation
- 5,279
- 6,029
What
- 2,712
- 3,501
everytime we discuss potential scaling you call it out for wank
- 6,773
- 6,683
- 5,279
- 6,029
- 5,279
- 6,029
No one cares about Neptunia in a DB disucssion thread. Goodbye.
- 2,712
- 3,501
After looking over the hakai upgrade thread again, zamasu should undoubtedly have high godly regeneration, it is a literal objective fact hakai does not work on him, that same hakai that can erase beings that resist narrative existence erasure. This would scale to goku, trunks, and zeno for high godly regen neg. This is so straight forward and simple, i fail to see how this would be controversial.
- 5,279
- 6,029
perhaps
- 2,712
- 3,501
yeah bro i agree, you should definitely make a crt when you get the chance
Vietthai96
He/Him- 10,148
- 14,420
It isn't, because potency =/= fundamentality, Hakai work on peoples who resist plot erasure is because it is potent enough to do so, not implying it can perform "a plot erasure"
- 4,038
- 2,683
Just putting it out there now
This is likely not the case
All the Hakai has shown here is that it is potent enough to work on beings who can resist plot existence erasure
There is nothing stating however that the Hakai itself can erase beings on the narrative level so no go to Zamasu immortality being High Godly and Regen Negation being High Godly as well
- 12,154
- 6,103
Was only referring to Arale, it was decided that she doesn't scale to Tori-Bot due to it only affecting avatars that are 3D/4D
- 12,154
- 6,103
Could you answer, bro?
- 4,940
- 1,841
Not sure.
Plot erasure is just existence erasure on a higher level, this being not just erasure on a physical or spiritual level, but complete erasure from the narrative itself.
His EE being potent enough to erase these beings would likely support this upgrade, unless I’m missing something here.
- 12,154
- 6,103
I don't think you should mess with this, it will lead to a downgrade and I can see it
- 4,940
- 1,841
But if he can regenerate from something that, by our standards, can erase people from narrative itself then this should be an ability for Zamasu. It’s even noted on the profile so it has been accepted.
“Energy of Destruction. Can erase[4]beings like Dr. Mashirito, and likely even Arale Norimaki, both of whom resisted narrative existence erasure”
So this isn’t even a question of rather or not Beerus has narrative erasure, but if surviving it would be high godly, which in this case is a clear cut yes.
- 2,712
- 3,501
So if a character can't be erased by conventional existence erasure, how does beerus NOT have narrative erasure of some soft? Even tori bot was worried.
- 4,940
- 1,841
So now that this is brought up there’s only two things to do here, we either downgrade Beerus or give Zamasu high-godly.
- 2,712
- 3,501
Why would potency matter with here? She can't die unless its from a narrative standpoint.
Vietthai96
He/Him- 10,148
- 14,420
Just ******* no, unless you can prove that EE can do narrative erasure. I said it before, potency =/= fundamentality, EE can work on people who resist plot erasure doesn't imply it can erase narrative, it is just potent enough to work on people who resist such level of erasure
- 4,038
- 2,683
Yeah pretty much
5-D Avatars are legit but Dr. Slump cast don’t scale to them hence they it was downgraded which also helped stopped Dragon Ball from getting any 5-D/Tier 1 Hakai
I don’t know
I’m more or less neutral (leaning towards disagree)
To me, it seems iffy to say Hakai has the capabilities to erase beings on the narrative level and that Beerus would have supposedly done the same to Zamasu as well
When it’s never even implied that the Hakai was narrative erasure properties and the most it could do was simply erase those who resist narrative erasure
Even if Beerus could supposedly erase beings who can resist narrative erasure….he still is not erasing them on the narrative level
So to me
It just seems weird and iffy to give Hakai narrative erasure properties when we know that it ain’t erasing you on that level
That’s my overall stance on the matter
- 12,154
- 6,103
Thanks a lot for explaining bro
- 4,940
- 1,841
no need to be rude about it. The evidence is in the fact that it can erase people can’t even be erased from the plot itself. That’s the evidence, no more than this is even needed, unless you can bring up any contradictory material then there’s nothing wrong with this.
I have no idea what you’re talking about, narrative erasure is literally the next step from existence erasure, it’s a higher level of destruction.
Hakai doesn’t erase things out of sheer potency, not possible, as these things are abstract and it’s ability itself is what erase whatever is hit by it. So if it erases people who can resist narrative erasure, then it scales to such.
- 12,154
- 6,103
It is good too! He's a bit hotheaded though, lol
- 4,940
- 1,841
That’s fine.
I can see why you’re making this argument but I think you may be misunderstanding. It could also be me. Who knows.
In my eyes, if you have an attack which could kill something that resists something that erased something far beyond a spiritual or non physical level, then one would assume this attack should be on a level that can erase something being just spiritual and a non physical level. Traditional existence erasure cannot achieve this.
Why not? As far as I’m concerned there’s nothing directly going against it being the case. There’s more supporting evidence than anti feats and considering it can erase people across all timelines despite these timelines being said to be disconnected and changes to the past not changing the future.
- 4,038
- 2,683
This kind of A + B = C logic is the equivalent of saying
Person A resist Concept Erasure and person B erases them but Person A Concept still exists = Conceptual Erasure
It’s not because Person B failed to erase Person A’s Concept. All that happened was that Person B EE is potent enough Bypass Person A’s resistance but at the same time Person B still can’t erase Concepts as Person A’s Concept was unaffected by the EE in question
- 4,940
- 1,841
So the question here is what’s to say they aren’t erased on a narrative level?
- 4,940
- 1,841
And even then I don’t quite get it. You can’t erase something with a higher level of non conventional durability, so high that it can resist being erased from the narrative.
It’s not quite straightforward, basic EE can’t erase something that’s above basic EE. The EE would have to have an effect greater than NE to even effect them.
It’s not quite straightforward, basic EE can’t erase something that’s above basic EE. The EE would have to have an effect greater than NE to even effect them.
- 4,038
- 2,683
Nth tilts the scale either way to support or deny the claim
Hence why I’m neutral
Why I’m leaning towards disagreeing now?
Is because using the context and lore implications of Hakai in general… Nothing ever suggested nor implied it works on the narrative level till date
Well call me picky
But IMO, giving Beerus Narrative Hakai when Hakai can’t influence nor affect narrative is flawed
Vietthai96
He/Him- 10,148
- 14,420
Yeah, and even then Hakai is only implied to be able to erase body and soul
- 3,487
- 5,164
Similar threads
