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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
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Except for his own.
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facts, goku not even top 10 in the verse lmfao, not even like top 15
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Two Zenos
Four Zeno Attendants
The Grand Priest
12 Angels (Possibly more)
Beerus
Maybe Quitela
Black Freeza
Gohan Beast (Supposedly)
Gas (Unless he surpassed him by SH)
Vegeta (By end of SH)
Cell Max (Supposedly)
Potentially Broly after training with Whis(?)
That's up to 27 people stronger than Goku in the current canon. Even if you debate a few he still wouldn't even make it into the Top 20.
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yeah facts, lowball he's not top 20 which is really insane.Two Zenos
Four Zeno Attendants
The Grand Priest
12 Angels (Possibly more)
Beerus
Maybe Quitela
Black Freeza
Gohan Beast (Supposedly)
Gas (Unless he surpassed him by SH)
Vegeta (By end of SH)
Cell Max (Supposedly)
Potentially Broly after training with Whis(?)
That's up to 27 people stronger than Goku in the current canon. Even if you debate a few he still wouldn't even make it into the Top 20.
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Forgot to mention Tori-Bot, Arale, Super ShenronTwo Zenos
Four Zeno Attendants
The Grand Priest
12 Angels (Possibly more)
Beerus
Maybe Quitela
Black Freeza
Gohan Beast (Supposedly)
Gas (Unless he surpassed him by SH)
Vegeta (By end of SH)
Cell Max (Supposedly)
Potentially Broly after training with Whis(?)
That's up to 27 people stronger than Goku in the current canon. Even if you debate a few he still wouldn't even make it into the Top 20.
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I assume they are since the Grand Priest, Angels, GoDs and Zenos are all insanely powerful and they're part of that hierarchy of beings. Whis is an attendant to Beerus yet could easily one shot him...although there's no way in hell the Zeno attendants are stronger than Zeno.
Eh, we'll just assume they're Angel-level and leave it there for now.
Eh, we'll just assume they're Angel-level and leave it there for now.
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well technically super shenron is only above goku with wish granting, i find it pretty insane how hes stated to be able to do anything, at least for his dimensionality, i feel like he and zeno could possibly be 2-B to 2-A
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Yes, I believe they are at least superior to a God of Destruction in power.
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I hope that loga mentions something about the dimension where he resides, that it is a dimension where all concepts are absolutely nothing and that it is a dimension of at least 99D or 25D, I want that the verse is high in scale to solo verses like all anime and having conceptual manipulation someday
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Hell you can count Arale in the list cause she clearly wasn't using all of her hax during her fight with Goku.
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I feel like the only real argument against this that could exist is the idea that the Grand Priest (The daddy of all angels, strongest warrior in the entire multiverse, man right below Zeno) would SOMEHOW be ignorant of the scope of the Dragon World's cosmology.
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Now imagine if we could get it passed that Zeno is 2-B and his durability should scale to his EE feats...then Freeza kills Zeno in an arc or two 
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Zeno was sta
Which i highly doubt, zeno's power was even capable of erasing zamasu who leaked into the present timeline, i mean how could it not be consistent?
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wiki would be in a uproar lmaoNow imagine if we could get it passed that Zeno is 2-B and his durability should scale to his EE feats...then Freeza kills Zeno in an arc or two
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Wait Zen'O has a statement that he'd be capable of erasing the entire Cosmology ?
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Arguments against this are: Super Sheron never affected other timelines, there are other Super Sheron in timelines, as well as each Zeno'oh or angels, pretty much that's the ones their arguments, it's so bad it's enough to laugh
I also remember a vsbttles user mentioning that if Zen'ō existed in just one era line it would be 2-B, just because of that nobody scales to the full multiverse, practically the counterarguments are horrible
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Yep, he has a delete all statement, and yet Whis quotes it to Beerus and Goku
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of course they are, just because they have never did it, apparently means they cant and ignore the implications, its sad.
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To my recollection it's been stated numerous times that Zeno could erase everything on a whim. And we have numerous statements by Zeno, Grand Priest and others that Super Shenron can grant any wish, which should include wiping out the entire cosmology of Dragon Ball, which is 2-B in scale. That's when Zeno is consistently stated to be the most powerful being in existence.
Zeno > Super Shenron > DB Cosmology (2-B)
The only arguments against that logic would be that the highest gods of the verse are ignorant of the structure of their own cosmology and the silliness that Luffy references people saying.
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Isn't it, bro?
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There are practically 5 or 6 citations stating such a thing, could someone make a CRT upgrading Zen'ō and Super Shenron
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Zen'ō just isn't 2-B because vsbttles doesn't accept it
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I'm kind of busy with work and college, otherwise I could do something really big.
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I understand cross-timeline scaling is a no-no but could we argue that Zeno should be exempt from this as the ultimate being of the verse? From we've seen Future Zeno and Present Zeno are practically identical beyond, obviously, what events occurred in the timelines. Their powers should be the same across all existence. So DBS Anime feats should apply along with DBS Manga feats. And SDBH if that's ever somehow accepted as canon.
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I can start a new conversation where you guys can supply the arguments and stuff and then once we get everything squared away I can just make the thread myself. Because atm they can just say either that is NLF b/c we have no current proof they are aware of the cosmology (even though the existence of Time Rings completely destroys this idea)
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it would be extremely hard to get this to pass
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In the manga, he also mentions that Zen'oh can erase anything he wants in an instant.
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Worlds are normally referred to timelines in DB
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Zeno should also be resistant to most of the verse's hax. The kayoshin mentions that he is the only person in the entire world who cannot be defeated. It really doesn't make sense for zeno to be affected by hakai, that's one of the weirdest things on the wiki.
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I think that too, I don't think even death has any effect on Zeno'oh, the kaioshin was like he couldn't die or something.
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Jiren doesn't have EE resistance despite him beating Belmod and Toppo.
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