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Except for his own.goku solos every verse
facts, goku not even top 10 in the verse lmfao, not even like top 15Except for his own.
Two Zenosfacts, goku not even top 10 in the verse lmfao, not even like top 15
yeah facts, lowball he's not top 20 which is really insane.Two Zenos
Four Zeno Attendants
The Grand Priest
12 Angels (Possibly more)
Beerus
Maybe Quitela
Black Freeza
Gohan Beast (Supposedly)
Gas (Unless he surpassed him by SH)
Vegeta (By end of SH)
Cell Max (Supposedly)
Potentially Broly after training with Whis(?)
That's up to 27 people stronger than Goku in the current canon. Even if you debate a few he still wouldn't even make it into the Top 20.
Forgot to mention Tori-Bot, Arale, Super ShenronTwo Zenos
Four Zeno Attendants
The Grand Priest
12 Angels (Possibly more)
Beerus
Maybe Quitela
Black Freeza
Gohan Beast (Supposedly)
Gas (Unless he surpassed him by SH)
Vegeta (By end of SH)
Cell Max (Supposedly)
Potentially Broly after training with Whis(?)
That's up to 27 people stronger than Goku in the current canon. Even if you debate a few he still wouldn't even make it into the Top 20.
well technically super shenron is only above goku with wish granting, i find it pretty insane how hes stated to be able to do anything, at least for his dimensionality, i feel like he and zeno could possibly be 2-B to 2-AForgot to mention Tori-Bot, Arale, Super Shenron
Yes, I believe they are at least superior to a God of Destruction in power.i wonder if zeno attendants are actually strong
I hope that loga mentions something about the dimension where he resides, that it is a dimension where all concepts are absolutely nothing and that it is a dimension of at least 99D or 25D, I want that the verse is high in scale to solo verses like all anime and having conceptual manipulation somedaywell technically super shenron is only above goku with wish granting, i find it pretty insane how hes stated to be able to do anything, at least for his dimensionality, i feel like he and zeno could possibly be 2-B to 2-A
I feel like the only real argument against this that could exist is the idea that the Grand Priest (The daddy of all angels, strongest warrior in the entire multiverse, man right below Zeno) would SOMEHOW be ignorant of the scope of the Dragon World's cosmology.at least 2-B possibly even 2-A via wish granting, and both zeno's should scale to this with their EE.
Which i highly doubt, zeno's power was even capable of erasing zamasu who leaked into the present timeline, i mean how could it not be consistent?I feel like the only real argument against this that could exist is the idea that the Grand Priest (The daddy of all angels, strongest warrior in the entire multiverse, man right below Zeno) would SOMEHOW be ignorant of the scope of the Dragon World's cosmology.
wiki would be in a uproar lmaoNow imagine if we could get it passed that Zeno is 2-B and his durability should scale to his EE feats...then Freeza kills Zeno in an arc or two
Arguments against this are: Super Sheron never affected other timelines, there are other Super Sheron in timelines, as well as each Zeno'oh or angels, pretty much that's the ones their arguments, it's so bad it's enough to laughI feel like the only real argument against this that could exist is the idea that the Grand Priest (The daddy of all angels, strongest warrior in the entire multiverse, man right below Zeno) would SOMEHOW be ignorant of the scope of the Dragon World's cosmology.
Yep, he has a delete all statement, and yet Whis quotes it to Beerus and GokuWait Zen'O has a statement that he'd be capable of erasing the entire Cosmology ?
of course they are, just because they have never did it, apparently means they cant and ignore the implications, its sad.Arguments against this are: Super Sheron never affected other timelines, there are other Super Sheron in timelines, as well as each Zeno'oh or angels, pretty much that's the ones their arguments, it's so bad it's enough to laugh
I also remember a vsbttles user mentioning that if Zen'ō existed in just one era line it would be 2-B, just because of that nobody scales to the full multiverse, practically the counterarguments are horrible
To my recollection it's been stated numerous times that Zeno could erase everything on a whim. And we have numerous statements by Zeno, Grand Priest and others that Super Shenron can grant any wish, which should include wiping out the entire cosmology of Dragon Ball, which is 2-B in scale. That's when Zeno is consistently stated to be the most powerful being in existence.Wait Zen'O has a statement that he'd be capable of erasing the entire Cosmology ?
Isn't it, bro?of course they are, just because they have never did it, apparently means they cant and ignore the implications, its sad.
There are practically 5 or 6 citations stating such a thing, could someone make a CRT upgrading Zen'ō and Super ShenronTo my recollection it's been stated numerous times that Zeno could erase everything on a whim. And we have numerous statements by Zeno, Grand Priest and others that Super Shenron can grant any wish, which should include wiping out the entire cosmology of Dragon Ball, which is 2-B in scale. That's when Zeno is consistently stated to be the most powerful being in existence.
Zeno > Super Shenron > DB Cosmology (2-B)
The only arguments against that logic would be that the highest gods of the verse are ignorant of the structure of their own cosmology and the silliness that Luffy references people saying.
I'm kind of busy with work and college, otherwise I could do something really big.we could work on one yes, but make sure the arguments are well though out and non debunkable and addressing all counter arguments to your knowledge, we could talk about in dms if you decide to make one.
it would be extremely hard to get this to passI understand cross-timeline scaling is a no-no but could we argue that Zeno should be exempt from this as the ultimate being of the verse? From we've seen Future Zeno and Present Zeno are practically identical beyond, obviously, what events occurred in the timelines. Their powers should be the same across all existence. So DBS Anime feats should apply along with DBS Manga feats.And SDBH if that's ever somehow accepted as canon.
Worlds are normally referred to timelines in DB"world" as in the dragon ball world, which consist of thousands to millions of timelines.
Zen'ō just isn't 2-B because vsbttles doesn't accept it
I think that too, I don't think even death has any effect on Zeno'oh, the kaioshin was like he couldn't die or something.Zeno should also be resistant to most of the verse's hax. The kayoshin mentions that he is the only person in the entire world who cannot be defeated. It really doesn't make sense for zeno to be affected by hakai, that's one of the weirdest things on the wiki.
Jiren doesn't have EE resistance despite him beating Belmod and Toppo.Zeno should also be resistant to most of the verse's hax. The kayoshin mentions that he is the only person in the entire world who cannot be defeated. It really doesn't make sense for zeno to be affected by hakai, that's one of the weirdest things on the wiki.