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Mfw Dragon Ball is getting infinite speed before literally anything above Class MMan we really do need more LS feats. Closest thing we have is the Pretty Black Hole feat in the ToP.
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Mfw Dragon Ball is getting infinite speed before literally anything above Class MMan we really do need more LS feats. Closest thing we have is the Pretty Black Hole feat in the ToP.
Ngl that's actually pretty accurate if including filler. First form Frieza killed 3 warrior Namekians (they should all easily reach moon level at bare minimum by scaling) by breathing too hard lmao.Tatsu when she dies by a breath of ki
TBF he was in an incubator and then launched in a space pod IIRC, I think some places in Planet Vegeta weren't affected by Gravity.It's not necessarily wrong, it's just stupid PiS because Toriyama didn't give enough of a **** to make it logical.
Let's not forget that baby Goku when his power level was ******* 2 was doing just fine on Planet Vegeta where gravity was 10x. So according to canon Dragon Ball, Goku as an infant baby had higher lifting strength than Goku at the start of Z.
Beyond infinite AP
Beyond infinite speed
Beyond infinite durability
Finite LS
It's kinda ridiculous how much worse their LS is than everything else. Heck, even Heroes has sub-par LS until you get to the Universe Tree stuff.Yeah outside of hax that's the main negative of DB characters, their LS is shit for their tiers.
Goku does have crazy lifting strength feats...it's just that they're totally incalculable because we don't know any details. Like him lifting/pushing/pulling weights on King Kai's Planet, the Whis training suits sinking into the ground on Beerus' planet, and the Pretty Black Hole which sink through Kachi Kachin and is compared to a real black hole multiple times.Do we even have any better LS feats that are scalable to Goku?
The Class M feat Goku did is before Goku even gets SSG. So via using multipliers we can actually get him decently high, but still finite in LS.
Pre-SSG: 55 KiloTons
Post BoG Base: 2750 KiloTons (assuming SSG is a 50x multiplier)
SSJ-SSG: 137 MegaTons
(SSB is 50x SSG)
SSB: 6.8 GigaTons
SSBKKX10: 68 GigaTons
SSB Post-Hit Rematch: 68 GigaTons
SSBKKX20: 1.3 PetaTons
UIO1-2: 1.3 PetaTons
Late-ToP SSB Goku: 1.3 PetaTons
Late ToP SSBKKX20: 26 PetaTons
Base Gogeta: 1.3 PetaTons
SS Gogeta: 68 TeraTons
SSB Gogeta, MUI Goku, SSFP Broly: 3.4 ExaTons
So the final tally would be:
Post-ToP SSB Goku: 1.3 TeraTons (Class P)
MUI Goku: 3.4 ExaTons (Class Z)
This is as high as we can get with the currently accepted multipliers, and assuming that multiplier applies to LS as well.
Getting near planetary lifting
Too bad most of his feats can't be measured. I remember a feat in toeiverse, where goku pushes a planet raising ki, but I don't even know if that can be scaled to ls...Goku does have crazy lifting strength feats...it's just that they're totally incalculable because we don't know any details. Like him lifting/pushing/pulling weights on King Kai's Planet, the Whis training suits sinking into the ground on Beerus' planet, and the Pretty Black Hole which sink through Kachi Kachin and is compared to a real black hole multiple times.
If the force of his Ki can do it, so can he. His Ki is what he uses to strengthen his body, and his body then becomes equal to the strength of his Ki, which is why Dragon Ball characters are comparable to their own Ki blast's, which are simply large concentrations of Ki.Too bad most of his feats can't be measured. I remember a feat in toeiverse, where goku pushes a planet raising ki, but I don't even know if that can be scaled to ls...
The pretty black hole was calced but rejected at the time because the site didn't treat the attack as an actual black hole, I am making a crt to address thatGoku does have crazy lifting strength feats...it's just that they're totally incalculable because we don't know any details. Like him lifting/pushing/pulling weights on King Kai's Planet, the Whis training suits sinking into the ground on Beerus' planet, and the Pretty Black Hole which sink through Kachi Kachin and is compared to a real black hole multiple times.
Man if these multipliers applies to Lifting Strength you can crank up MUI Goku's LS to Pre-Stellar just by putting this multiplier and another 50x from Goku getting SSG at the first timeDBS Infinite Speed
Assuming Post-BoG Base Goku as 1x baseline. X = Baseline Infinite speed. Lowballed.
SSG Goku: Baseline
Post-SSG Absorption SS Goku: 50x
Post BoG Base Goku: At least 100x (scales to at least twice the previous level of power of his Super Saiyan form)
SS Goku: At least 5,000x
SS2, SS3, SSG: At least 5,000x
SSB: At least 250,000x
SSBKKx10: At least 2,500,000x
SSB Post Hit-rematch: At least 2,500,000x
SSG Early ToP: At least 2,500,000x
SSB Early ToP: At least 125,000,000x
SSBKKx20: At least 2,500,000,000x
UIO1-2: At least 2,500,000,000x
Late-ToP SSB/Base Gogeta: At least 2,500,000,000x
Late-ToP SSBKKx20: At least 50,000,000,000x
SS Gogeta: At least 125,000,000,000x
SSB Gogeta, FPSS Broly, UI Goku: At least 6,250,000,000,000x
Does anyone know what Toei's would be starting from Otherworld Saga Base Goku?
Well DBS does give us a stated multiplier for Potara Fusion: (0:33).Since DB is going through an upgrade season rn. I propose my own upgrade.
Super Saiyan God having an at least 100x multiplier.
Reasoning:
During the Battle of Gods Arc in DBS, after Goku gets slammed by Beerus with no effort, Goku states that not even a fusion (likely referring to Vegito) would've been capable of beating Beerus. Goku felt more confident fighting Beerus as a Super Saiyan God than fusing with Vegeta.
The problem is, in the manga, we don't exactly know much stronger Vegito is than Goku. In the anime, Vegito is capable of fighting Buuhan in base form. While in the manga, Vegito immediately turns Super Saiyan after appearing and beats Buuhan that way. There's no way to put a concrete multiplier of Potara fusion in the Buu Arc, all we knew is that Super Vegito is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Since there's no accepted multiplier for SS2 and SS3, all we end up with is a scaling chain.
Base Goku < SS Goku (50x) < SS2 Goku < SS3 Goku < SS Vegito < SSG Goku
So for the Super Saiyan God multiplier, I propose a solution. Giving Buu Arc Base Vegito a 2x multiplier over Base Goku. 2x is the most reasonable lowball for a fusion, since it combines the power of Goku and Vegeta, who's comparable to each other. And since Goku would most likely account for Vegito's transformations when making that statement, SSG is most likely stronger than SS Vegito. Thus giving Super Saiyan God a lowballed 100x multiplier.
It's fiction, being heart-shaped doesn't mean it shouldn't be treated as having some of the real properties of a black hole when it is very explicitly treated as such.It's a goofy heart shaped black hole powered by (likely literal) love. What would your argument be to treat it as an actual black hole?
All I want is infinite speed and AP, I'm excited as hellSince there's 7 hours remaining before we can start making changes, we should start preparing our proposals and arguments. And also discuss scaling here. Also, don't make the changes all at once, we should only make changes for one continuity at a time.
And yet we can see light comingou of it, not really a black hole because of that aloneIt's fiction, being heart-shaped doesn't mean it shouldn't be treated as having some of the real properties of a black hole when it is very explicitly treated as such.
Prove that the macrocosm has infinite dimensions instead of 3 and boom, that becomes real via the neutra zone, no cap, that is how ben 10 got low 1-CDragonball is the king of shonen in the real world and and slowly becoming the king when it comes to ficitonal battles
low 1C soon and then tier 0
lets go lets go lets goo
I am making a sandbox for the aplication of the scaling of the cosmology, just need to re read the 2 threads again today to complete the skeleton of itSince there's 7 hours remaining before we can start making changes, we should start preparing our proposals and arguments. And also discuss scaling here. Also, don't make the changes all at once, we should only make changes for one continuity at a time.
2-C infinite speed DBS fodderY'all ready for that 2-C Base Cabba