Yeah pretty sure the guys who made the movie which Toriyama didn't take much part in just didn't think Goku could easily go Super Saiyan after Namek."Goku becomes a Super Saiyan again." (Passage right next to the film poster). Confirming what was stated on the Toei Return of Cooler info Pamphlet/Film Comic, Goku used SSJ against Frieza, meaning the plot hole is doubly recitified.
I like to think this was Goku's first time using Super Saiyan after Namek in this alternate dimension, so he couldn't go to that mental head space of rage on his own.
Yeah the Z movies are known for mimicking moments or plot points in sagas. It can be said for pretty much all of them (except the Broly films I guess?)
It’d be his fourth, probably? In the Toei Filler when (what is implied to be Goku is testing IT) he manifests as a SSJ. That would be his second. In the Cooler films Mecha Frieza and Trunks’ killing of him is stated to happen. That would be his third when he appears and tests the Time Traveller, since it happens pre-Cooler’s Revenge. Still high on the list of times, but not exactly the second.
Probably.
The specification is "Your potential/the power you would have gotten in that time."
Nah, we know that BoZ Yamcha is weaker than 22nd WT Tien.
Not only were the Z-Fighters not at full power when Bulma scanned their Power Levels, but Yamcha's was only three points below Tien's.
That's a possible valid interpretation, I'd argue Roshi's scanned PL being his full power (139) sorta makes it seem like it's their actual power tho
Gas dose have sharp ears maybe his extra powers came from some internal demonic potential
it CANNOT be his full power, he isn't Muscular, which is his full power
Well ki beams have shown to generate heat before so yeah it likely can be heat based
Tbh if a standard ki blast is hot enough to cook a gaint animal instantly that's pretty good heat manipulation I think
Are there any issues with this? I don't plan on making a CRT for this though
If you're using the what ifs, they have internal scaling (and frankly don't make sense. Goku Black Rose can destroy SSB Vegito in the same game SSB Vegito can destroy Fused Zamasu).
Yeah it should be taken out from the sandbox, manipulating ones ki is not something that comes from just being a saiyan
Pretty sure it's explained in that fight that Goku Black was using his AD to reach those levels. Hence him reaching it against Vegito Blue but not in the other what-ifs. Regardless when I scale Black to that it's him at his strongest what-if form. Which is able to survive fighting Vegito Blue.
I made no distinction between What If, Sparking or Canon or whatever else. I'm just taking them at their strongest in each of their stories.
There wasn't an explanation. Goku Black just could somehow do it. Later, Goku and Vegeta put up a fight against Black and Zamasu after failing with Vegito.
Add the fact Saiyans apparently don't have a growth spurt till 15
Nothing stated about this matter, however it is show that Ki come to Saiyan naturally, they can shoot ki blast and fly without actually knowing it is ki manipulation. Iirc, Vegeta only know about the whole ki manipulation shit until he come to earth
It absolutely is unless you’re Goku and you just born sucking at it relative to the species. Now, manipulating at advanced skill levels beyond manipulating it for flight and energy attacks (ie Raditz) isn’t granted by your physiology, that you do have to learn on your own. Such as the optimal way to approach Ki Use in tandem with forms (SSJ Grades), Ki Sensing, and the creation of techniques that completely sidestep their power-based philosophy (Ala Kaioken, Spirit Bomb, Multiform, Solar Flare, etc.)
Yes, a mortal from the 12th Universe figured out time travel hundreds of years before the events of DBZ. But that's irrelevant because we don't know the changes he made by doing that. As far as we know, nothing noteworthy changed.
Then it should be something acquired for mature saiyans naturally
There is the matter of pan flying shortly after her birth
another thing is, since the page says that it is only covering the canon manga and sequels, DBS Anime stuff should be removed as it isn't canon to the manga here anymore
So you think a separate blog post should be made for the super anime?
i don't think Super Alone has anything enough for such
Goku as a kid didn't know anything about Ki until he saw Roshi use the kamehameha, and Bulla has shown nothing of value ki manipulation wise iicr
She also have basically no screen time, so citing her as a example is just bad.
The only problems are those left for discussion in a possible crt.
Yes, because of that, I would probably have to throw all the shit from the DBS anime in the trash.
