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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
If they are characters from DBH and DBXV they cannot receive infinite speed because there is counter evidence of the Universes being infinite, this is because of Super being treated as canon to the games and Toei's cosmology, super cosmology refutes the Universe being infinite, so unless we have a CRT for canon we wouldn't have Infinite Universe games, that's why there wasn't an update for the games.
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Pretty sure the CRT that got it for TOEI also got it from the games in OP in the same thread
 
Jaakor48 said:
Pretty sure the CRT that got it for TOEI also got it from the games in OP in the same thread
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In fact, the games have counter evidence for this, because of Dragon Ball super, so no Infinite Universe for the games, unless there is something for the canon that contracts the Toei Infinite Universe.
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Another thing, I think canon Broly should also have a Super Hero key. All of his current keys can just be merged into “Broly Saga”

Infant | Broly Saga | Super Hero Saga
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exactly what i was thinking, but his super hero feats are manga only so its useless
 
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His LS should probably be bumped up to class P too assuming we scale him to Toeiverse characters.
 
before i go on making a broly crt, should i bother with downscaling his base form or nah?

canon would be 6 universes due to being 1/10th of his ikari, but downscaling in tier 2 was a hot mess back in the days with beerus and champa feat so idk
toei base should be high 3A, even if he never fought no reason to assume he doesn't downscale from his super saiyan form
 
Sus said:
both his minimum and maximum are within tier 5-B
but i see ur point, his oozaru does get 5-A i think
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Maybe just: Varies (His power fluctuates), usually 5-B (He was shown at minimum to have a Battle Power of A which is stronger than [character], and it could grow up to B making him more powerful than [another character]), 5-A as an Oozaru (Becomes ten times stronger)
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
I wouldn't mind that, but we definitely need a Manga Broly profile since the anime and manga versions are very different right now.
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I agree
 
Sus said:
before i go on making a broly crt, should i bother with downscaling his base form or nah?

canon would be 6 universes due to being 1/10th of his ikari, but downscaling in tier 2 was a hot mess back in the days with beerus and champa feat so idk
toei base should be high 3A, even if he never fought no reason to assume he doesn't downscale from his super saiyan form
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You should add it as a potential proposal, but if staff start to disagree I say ditch it
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
They should be reversed, because the games have the same cosmology as the super, which contracts the infinite Universe.
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Sorry Luffy, but Toei is canon to Xenoverse and Heroes. I mean the Xeno timeline (as in the one with Xeno Goku and shit) alone is LITERALLY just the Toei/GT timeline except the story didn't end after that.

And several of the Toei villains like Turles, Slug, Z Broly, and Janemba are a part of that timeline. So it's irrelevant of the Toei universe is bigger than the Super universe, it still scales.
 
Not that i'm against the Universe being infinite for games, but this is so wrong, the right thing would be to make a separate crt to make super cosmology reach the infinite Universe, but it was not done and the changes are being applied, when there is counter evidence of cosmology being infinite for the super

I do have a question regarding how we’re going to treat this. If Super is also canon to the games are they not subject to the same cosmology statements made in super as well
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And here

DBH is currently accepted as being a composite of most about all DB media. This crt is using the guise of a canon split to get toei accepted as infinite then using the fact DBH is a composite to make universes infinite in DBH. The problem with this is that DBH carries with it the contradictions from DBS anime and manga that have gotten infinite universe rejected countless times.
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The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Sorry Luffy, but Toei is canon to Xenoverse and Heroes. I mean the Xeno timeline (as in the one with Xeno Goku and shit) alone is LITERALLY just the Toei/GT timeline except the story didn't end after that.

And several of the Toei villains like Turles, Slug, Z Broly, and Janemba are a part of that timeline. So it's irrelevant of the Toei universe is bigger than the Super universe, it still scales.
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The only problem with this is that games use super cosmology for practically anything and contract the Universe being infinite, there is no way for one cosmology to be infinite and another to have an end in the same cosmology, and it was said that they would deal with the super and the games later, but the changes are happening.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Not that i'm against the Universe being infinite for games, but this is so wrong, the right thing would be to make a separate crt to make super cosmology reach the infinite Universe, but it was not done and the changes are being applied, when there is counter evidence of cosmology being infinite for the super



And here
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If you kept going down, you would see why this statement was rendered irrelevant, it was discussed and dealt with in that thread, the "contradiction" from super has been removed
 
Jaakor48 said:
If you kept going down, you would see why this statement was rendered irrelevant, it was discussed and dealt with in that thread, the "contradiction" from super has been removed
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Yes, it was removed! But there was no crt for the Universe to be infinite for the super, and Dragon Ball Super's cosmology is still treated as having a very grand ending in the Universe.
 
a universe can be infinite and have an edge

think of having edge 1 and edge 2, with an infinite distance between
 
The border was removed and everything i contracted was based on my crt, but there was no crt for Dragon Ball super infinite universe.

I think i can handle that, since the canon is my responsibility.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
The only problem with this is that games use super cosmology for practically anything and contract the Universe being infinite, there is no way for one cosmology to be infinite and another to have an end in the same cosmology, and it was said that they would deal with the super and the games later, but the changes are happening.
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I mean at least with Heroes, infinite sized universes are irrelevant since Heroes characters already scale to Immeasurable because of its own uniqueness. But if you want to make the canon cosmology infinite sized so that the games aren't "contradicted" then be my guest.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
No dice, my friend. The version of DB that the Super anime is canon to is the original manga and not the Z anime or even Kai. At least on VBW anyway, there are plenty of people outside here that say Kai is canon to Super.
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This is because Super uses Kai as a reference for the flashbacks, even Bulma turning into a frog and other things happening.
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Another thing, I think canon Broly should also have a Super Hero key. All of his current keys can just be merged into “Broly Saga”

Infant | Broly Saga | Super Hero Saga
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Why the hell doesn't Super Manga Goku and Vegeta not have a super hero saga key?
 
SwordLegendz01 said:
Not sure I want to add that all to the manga continuity, I a few days ago read the same arc where that statement comes from, it's a shame the manga doesn't have something like the anime has.

That's why on the profile all the scans are from anime.
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Manga characters such as Grand Priest and God Zamasu have it though for the same reasons.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
No dice, my friend. The version of DB that the Super anime is canon to is the original manga and not the Z anime or even Kai. At least on VBW anyway, there are plenty of people outside here that say Kai is canon to Super.
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i meant canon manga dbz

what feats does kai have anyway?
 
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