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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

But it's stated in DB that's the case because if you are stronger than your opponent, you negate their hax,
when? again, Guldo is the first case that proves that wrong, so does Gero Energy Absorbtion hax working on people stronger than him, so does Babidi controlling Dabura

so if you're stronger than a character, can't you negate the hax of somebody? If it was something abstract like a wall level character with fate manipulation, understandable maybe (I doubt), but what if it's just spatial manipulation or whatever. Shouldn't it work?
again.....i am not even sure where that conception that it is a thing inverse that abilities don't work if you are stronger even come from.........nothing of sorts was ever said
 
He only affected other timelines, since the "Main" timeline is different from the Trunks one
Affecting timelines, he's still tapping into 5D dimensionalities, so, shouldn't he scale to it? If you can interact with 5D objects, shouldn't you logically be 5D as well? So affecting the timeline itself would still be 5D? And why would the "past" and "future" be different timelines and not the same timeline?
 
Affecting timelines, he's still tapping into 5D dimensionalities, so, shouldn't he scale to it?
By "affecting" i meant "reaching", aka range

If you can interact with 5D objects, shouldn't you logically be 5D as well?
Interact with something =/= Destroy or Create something

So affecting the timeline itself would still be 5D?
Destroying the timeline would be 5D

And why would the "past" and "future" be different timelines and not the same timeline?
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The scans are from the chapters 14-21 from the manga
 
I really wanted to know where this DB conception of stronger you deny hax came from.

That's just like, didn't it happen just once and it was with the manga's hit?
 
I really wanted to know where this DB conception of stronger you deny hax came from.

That's just like, didn't it happen just once and it was with the manga's hit?
Actually :geek: 👆
Well, It happened also in the Dragon Ball heroes manga, when Mira break out of Kaioshin time stop.
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You guys have to find a way to make IZ Tier 1.
Well, imo, a "possibly/Eventually low 1-C" would suffice because he was clearly going to take over the entire timelines if not stopped by zeno, and time frame doesnt matter, it scales anyway, beerus even said he was affecting the present timeline, and zeno thought the ENTIRE world needed to be erased to get rid of him. Zeno wasn't even that mad either it seemed, he likely just thought that was the BEST way to deal with it, which scales IZ to the timeline.
 
Well, imo, a "possibly/Eventually low 1-C" would suffice because he was clearly going to take over the entire timelines if not stopped by zeno, and time frame doesnt matter, it scales anyway, beerus even said he was affecting the present timeline, and zeno thought the ENTIRE world needed to be erased to get rid of him. Zeno wasn't even that mad either it seemed, he likely just thought that was the BEST way to deal with it, which scales IZ to the timeline.
I agree with this let’s put this through the kitchen
 
Actually :geek: 👆
Well, It happened also in the Dragon Ball heroes manga, when Mira break out of Kaioshin time stop.
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Ki in game verse have actual space-time hax and resistance so yeah, ki can break through time stop. Also, Mira already resist it in a limited form, as he can still thinking in time stop, so he can break it is reasonable anyway, going Super Mira is just a final nail in the coffin
 
just added some much needed quotes to Goku and Vegeta.........i am now feeling much better about their pages, only 1 quote for Goku was making me crawl up the walls
 
Ki in game verse have actual space-time hax and resistance so yeah, ki can break through time stop. Also, Mira already resist it in a limited form, as he can still thinking in time stop, so he can break it is reasonable anyway, going Super Mira is just a final nail in the coffin
Yeah.
 
Infinite zamasu was actually stated to be affecting the present timeline, which could actually scale him to it.
"affect" as much as he was beginning to enter it, not in any scalable way

Well, imo, a "possibly/Eventually low 1-C" would suffice because he was clearly going to take over the entire timelines if not stopped by zeno
the entire timelines? do.....do we have anything saying this? i don't see what makes it so "clear"

and zeno thought the ENTIRE world needed to be erased to get rid of him. Zeno wasn't even that mad either it seemed, he likely just thought that was the BEST way to deal with it, which scales IZ to the timeline.
Zeno is also a child, dude erased 6 whole universes, alongside all of its inhabitants, over a minor irritation

and he was annoyed at Zamasu, he said as much himself, heck, everyone is scared shitless of Goku merely talking to him casually would make him erase all of them, his "judgement" is really not a boat you want to stand on
 
i didn't add any renders for DBS Goku, only quotes, it was already like that before
 
But it's stated in DB that's the case because if you are stronger than your opponent, you negate their hax, so if you're stronger than a character, can't you negate the hax of somebody? If it was something abstract like a wall level character with fate manipulation, understandable maybe (I doubt), but what if it's just spatial manipulation or whatever. Shouldn't it work?
It's never stated as a general statement, there are feats of this happening and fats where reaching a level of power gives you certain haxes, like breaking spacetime and co, and as such, only those haxes resisted by their ki are indexed, not any hax

There are haxes in db that work on stronger guys too


Manga Hit's initial time skip is the exception in which being stronger than him reduces the effectiveness, although he managed to create time lag to accommodate
 
both versions of broly deserve a "child" key ngl

in toei, he's more powerful than king vegeta and seemingly can go super saiyan at an early age (also he has his tail so his adult key should get an oozaru amp)

in canon, his power fluctuates but he's at minimum stronger than raditz saga goku

too lazy to make a crt for it
 
Shouldn't shallot also have infinite speed?
If they are characters from DBH and DBXV they cannot receive infinite speed because there is counter evidence of the Universes being infinite, this is because of Super being treated as canon to the games and Toei's cosmology, super cosmology refutes the Universe being infinite, so unless we have a CRT for canon we wouldn't have Infinite Universe games, that's why there wasn't an update for the games.
 
both versions of broly deserve a "child" key ngl

in toei, he's more powerful than king vegeta and seemingly can go super saiyan at an early age (also he has his tail so his adult key should get an oozaru amp)

in canon, his power fluctuates but he's at minimum stronger than raditz saga goku

too lazy to make a crt for it
I’d put a varies rating for canon Broly
 
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