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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

BlastX said:
Yeah, I know that. I was talking about the ones that didn't make the cut

Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 3 - The Cutting Room Floor

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Too bad Broly doesn't get any insane scaling without the Goku Story Mode as the only two endings in Broly's Story Mode are either him losing to an amped Super Saiyan 2 Gohan or beating Gohan and then beating Goku. Meanwhile in Goku's Story Mode Broly runs the fade with SSJ4 Goku.
 
Also it's interesting to me that Budokai 3's version of Cooler has access to Salza's Ki Sword technique, implying this version of him thought it was useful enough to learn for himself.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Also it's interesting to me that Budokai 3's version of Cooler has access to Salza's Ki Sword technique, implying this version of him thought it was useful enough to learn for himself.
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Or that he taught it to Salza, given how the Squads seem to be incredibly close to their respective leaders and as such are allowed knowledge of their superiors no one else is granted—Such as their ability to transform.
 
RedReaper616 said:
Or that he taught it to Salza, given how the Squads seem to be incredibly close to their respective leaders and as such are allowed knowledge of their superiors no one else is granted—Such as their ability to transform.
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I like the opposite idea better as it implies that Cooler actually values his Squad more than his "canon" version, or at the very least values Salza more than normal.
 
The French and Spanish versions of The Legendary Manga assert "several illustrations of Goku transformed into a Great Ape" and that "Goku transforms into a Great Ape" during the King Piccolo Saga after drinking the Ultra Divine Water. That 10x multiplier may be a reality after all.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Also it's interesting to me that Budokai 3's version of Cooler has access to Salza's Ki Sword technique, implying this version of him thought it was useful enough to learn for himself.
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Cooler seems to be the type to duplicate or learn things he finds useful. He had to train to attain his 5th form (whereas Freeza never really trained until Super), he somehow learned Instant Transmission and in the games he uses techniques like Salza Blade.

Ironically Freeza has become more like Cooler over time in that regard. He copied Krillin's Destructo Disc out of desperation (which shows he viewed it as something useful), learned from Goku that he has to put effort in, copied Goku's fighting style (check Freeza's stance before fighting Base Goku in RoF, it's Goku's martial arts stance) and then learned to practice energy control from Goku's lecture. I wouldn't be shocked if the Supernova were based on Beerus' Sphere of Destruction too.

It seems like their family has a tendency of learning from the example of other fighters. Cooler learned that much earlier (probably because he isn't as strong as Freeza naturally) whereas Freeza took multiple defeats to start taking Goku's lectures to heart.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
Cooler seems to be the type to duplicate or learn things he finds useful. He had to train to attain his 5th form (whereas Freeza never really trained until Super), he somehow learned Instant Transmission and in the games he uses techniques like Salza Blade.

Ironically Freeza has become more like Cooler over time in that regard. He copied Krillin's Destructo Disc out of desperation (which shows he viewed it as something useful), learned from Goku that he has to put effort in, copied Goku's fighting style (check Freeza's stance before fighting Base Goku in RoF, it's Goku's martial arts stance) and then learned to practice energy control from Goku's lecture. I wouldn't be shocked if the Supernova were based on Beerus' Sphere of Destruction too.

It seems like their family has a tendency of learning from the example of other fighters. Cooler learned that much earlier (probably because he isn't as strong as Freeza naturally) whereas Freeza took multiple defeats to start taking Goku's lectures to heart.
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Freezer really is like Goku and the Saiyans, whenever he sees a worthwhile fighting technique to add to his repertoire from someone else he goes "Hoppity Oppity this technique is now my property"
 
Nullflowerblush said:
The French and Spanish versions of The Legendary Manga assert "several illustrations of Goku transformed into a Great Ape" and that "Goku transforms into a Great Ape" during the King Piccolo Saga after drinking the Ultra Divine Water. That 10x multiplier may be a reality after all.
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So I wasn’t hallucinating on the Oozaru potential unlock thing. Nice.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
By combining all of my initiatives!

Dragon Ball Era​

  • Jackie Chun destroys the Moon via MAX Power Kamehameha. >29.6 Exatons (Moon level)
    • Jackie Chun grew even stronger before the 22nd Budokai.
    • Had they continued fighting, Tien Shinhan would have defeated Jackie Chun.
  • Using the Four Witches Technique, Tien doubles his "attack power". >59.2 Exatons
    • Goku can contend with and even defeat the Four Witches Technique.
  • At less than half strength, Old King Piccolo tanks Goku's Kamehameha head-on. >236.8 Exatons (Moon level+)
  • Via the Ultra Divine Water, Goku's hidden power is drawn out. >592 Exatons (Small Planet level)
  • Training under Kami and Mr. Popo, Goku's strength doubled. >~1.184 Zettatons

Frieza Saga​

  • First Form Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta. >14.82449109 Quettatons (Small Star level)
  • After transforming, Frieza's power "more than" doubled. >29.6489822 Quettatons
  • With each transformation, (Third Form) Frieza's power is increased further by many-times. >59.2979644 Quettatons
    • Empowered by rage, Gohan damages Third Form Frieza.
  • Post-Zenkai Goku battles evenly with Frieza for an extended period of time. >118.595929 Quettatons (Small Star level+)
  • The Kaio-ken x20 amplifies Goku's abilities by twenty-fold. >2371.91858 Quettatons (Large Star level)
    • At 50%, Frieza deflects the Kaio-ken x20 Kamehameha with one hand.
      • At 100%, Frieza exchanges blows with Super Saiyan Goku. >4743.83716 Quettatons
  • As a Super Saiyan, Goku's strength is multiplied by fifty-times. >5929.79645 Quettatons

Trunks the Story -The Lone Warrior-/Trunks Saga​

  • Having trained and fought with the Androids for nearly two decades, Future Gohan is far stronger than his younger self. >59.2979644 Quettatons
  • As a Super Saiyan, Gohan's strength is multiplied by fifty-times. >2964.89822 Quettatons
  • Future Android 17 battled SSJ Future Gohan with less than half of his full power. >5929.79645 Quettatons
  • After mechanizing, Frieza grows further in power again. >9487.67432 Quettatons
    • SSJ Future Trunks defeated Frieza "in seconds".

Cell Saga​

  • Imperfect Cell is stronger than SSJ Vegeta. >9487.67432 Quettatons
    • Kamicolo is far stronger than Cell.
    • Kamicolo and Android 17 are equal in strength.
    • After absorbing 600,000+ Earthlings, Cell gained power exceeding that of Kamicolo and Android 17.
  • Android 17's Barrier negates Piccolo's Hellzone Grenade. >18975.3486 Quettatons
  • Via Absorption, Cell adds Android 17's power atop its own. >1.19092146 Foe
    • Even as regular Super Saiyans, Post-RoSaT Vegeta and Trunks surpass Semi-Perfect Cell.
      • In their normal forms, Vegeta and Trunks are fifty-times weaker. >569.260458 Quettatons (Star level+)
    • Super Vegeta and Second Grade SSJ Trunks are far stronger than Semi-Perfect Cell.
  • Perfect Cell emerges unscathed after withstanding Super Vegeta's Lucora Gun. >2.38184292 Foe
    • Super Trunks surpasses Cell in strength.
    • The Cell Juniors possess Cell's power.
    • Post-2nd RoSaT SSJ Vegeta and Trunks can fight equally with the Cell Juniors.
      • In their normal forms, Vegeta and Trunks are fifty-times weaker. >1138.52092 Quettatons
    • Post-RoSaT Piccolo can hold off the Cell Juniors.
  • Cell undergoes a Super Saiyan Third Grade-like (同様 dōyō; "identical") transformation. >119.092146 Foe (Solar System level)

Cell Games Saga (Pt. 1)​

  • At half strength, SSJ Goku far surpasses the Z-Fighters, including the likes of Trunks. >4.76368584 Foe
    • In his normal form, Goku is fifty-times weaker. >2277.04184 Quettatons

World Tournament Saga​

  • The East Supreme Kai, Shin, is "dimensions apart" from Piccolo. >2.38184292 Foe
    • Long story short, Gohan is stronger than Shin.
  • As a Super Saiyan 2, Gohan's strength is increased by a hundred-fold. >238.184292 Foe

Babidi Saga​

  • SSJ Gohan exchanges blows "evenly" with Dabura. >119.092146 Foe

Cell Games Saga (Pt. 2)​

  • Despite a self-imposed limitation born of a gentle-heartedness, SSJ Gohan is stronger than Babidi Saga SSJ Gohan. >119.092146 Foe
    • Without even powering up further from the fight with Goku, Cell stomps a passive Gohan.
    • At full power, Cell far surpasses anything demonstrated prior, barring the power of a next-level Super Saiyan.
  • Blinded by anger, Cell enters a Third Grade-like form again. >5.9546073 KiloFOE
    • SSJ2 Gohan two-shots Powerweighted Cell.
      • At full power, SSJ Gohan should be half as strong. >2.97730365 KiloFOE
      • In his normal form, Gohan is one-hundred-times weaker. >59.546073 Foe
    • Super Perfect Cell is more powerful than ever.

Majin Buu Saga​

Fusion Saga​

  • Despite Piccolo believing they needed Super Saiyan based off of their previous performance, after training in the Room of Spirit and Time, Gotenks grew powerful enough that Piccolo believed he could battle Super Buu normally; ultimately, though, he needed Super Saiyan. >1.19092146 MegaFOE
  • In SSJ, Gotenks is fifty-times stronger than in his normal form. >59.546073 MegaFOE
  • In SSJ3, Gotenks is eight-times stronger than before. >476.368584 MegaFOE
    • Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks are equally matched.
    • Buutenks is stronger than Super Buu, but weaker than Ultimate Gohan yet.
    • Ultimate Gohan far surpasses the abilities of Super Saiyan 3. (requires citation)
  • By absorbing Gotenks and then Gohan, Buu gains infinite power. >952.737168 MegaFOE
  • By virtue of a rival boost, the fusion of Goku and Vegeta (Vegito) is more powerful than the fusion of Goku and Gohan. (requires citation) >476.368584 MegaFOE
  • Super Vegito is the greatest known superpower in the universe, eclipsing the likes of Buuhan. >23.8184292 GigaFOE

i think.
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By multiplier standards, you sure about Mecha Freeza being x2? Since it's not one of his original forms (which are the ones stated to increase many-times/being double), just stated to grow in power.
 
WyattR612 said:
By multiplier standards, you sure about Mecha Freeza being x2? Since it's not one of his original forms (which are the ones stated to increase many-times/being double), just stated to grow in power.
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Nullflowerblush said:
Given the prior context, could Mecha Frieza "[growing] in power even more" after cyborgizing qualify for an additional (min.) two-fold increase?
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Maybe? Bit of a reach, though. The idea is that mechanizing is treated like yet another step in Frieza's evolution.
 
Just wanted to say this. I just found out bout the mwi thing with db nd all ima say is, toriyama ROLLIN IN HIS MF GRAVE😭😭😭😭. The fact somebody boldly said, " let's not use the source material which was approved by toriyama" nd exclude dbs as if it's its complete own thing(even though it builds on the same cosmology every other db series has)? Smdh. I'm not saying people out here with vendettas, but gahhh dayum, the people tht come with these crazy premises ain't beating the allegations. AT ALL.
 
You know, I wonder, shouldn’t Toei Goku’s mind-based abilities be significantly more developed than canon Goku’s? He has nearly all the same feats, the guides apply to him too, but he also is able to do a tad more. Like for example, Toei Goku claims to pull off the “I know everything, was observing in my sleep” feat in the Android-Cell Sagas we have in the Manga, but he was also doing this while consistently plagued with Virus Induced Nightmares/Night Terrors if we include the filler cuts to him.
 
Oh also Sean passingly mentioned GT (specifically SSJ4) in regards to the “last Dragon Ball game we’ve been working on.”



From the recent DBZ Cast - Anime Riverside 2024.

Technically he could be talking about anything, but considering how he very publicly and recently said about a month or two back he logged in 80 hours of voice work, (and his mention of DBS forms), people are thinking he means Sparking Zero.
 
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