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Thought a lot, that's the bestAnyways can we please keep atleast low 2-C macrocosms
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Thought a lot, that's the bestAnyways can we please keep atleast low 2-C macrocosms
3-A is impossible unless the OP thinks the universe is timeless.Doesn't need to be a space-time bubble just a spatial bubble.Anyways can we please keep atleast low 2-C macrocosms
Pan>beerusBuuhan>Beerus and whis no diff
unironically, pan>rildo>kid buu>buuhan>FP BEERUS>Black frieza>tui goku>ue vegeta>FP MORO>Jiren limit breakingPan>beerus
Gas and Granolah are so useless characters that they not got even mentionedunironically, pan>rildo>kid buu>buuhan>FP BEERUS>Black frieza>tui goku>ue vegeta>FP MORO>Jiren limit breaking
"transcendent of space-time" still mostly doesn't mean anything for tiering purposes.With all the Tier 2 cosmology discussion underway, now's as good a time as any to bring up a certain scan I've had on me for some time (I just had trouble getting it verified).
Ya'll know the infamous dimensionally transcendental Afterlife scan?
Apparently, the scan was adapted into the Chouzenshuu 1, where it's translated as "a heavenly nation transcendent of space-time."
Not only is this solid extra evidence for spatiotemporally separate Otherworld, this scan absolutely slaughters all those old arguments that "transcendental is different from transcendent and just means spiritual, so dimensionally transcendental just means it's a spiritual world and doesn't indicate higher dimensions."
Is there are any way to read the Chouzenshuu online?With all the Tier 2 cosmology discussion underway, now's as good a time as any to bring up a certain scan I've had on me for some time (I just had trouble getting it verified).
Ya'll know the infamous dimensionally transcendental Afterlife scan?
Apparently, the scan was adapted into the Chouzenshuu 1, where it's translated as "a heavenly nation transcendent of space-time."
Not only is this solid extra evidence for spatiotemporally separate Otherworld, this scan absolutely slaughters all those old arguments that "transcendental is different from transcendent and just means spiritual, so dimensionally transcendental just means it's a spiritual world and doesn't indicate higher dimensions."
Is there are any way to read the Chouzenshuu online?
Doesn't Chouzenshuu have a japanese version..?Dragon Ball Compendio 1 - Google Drive
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Not on its own, but it can help"transcendent of space-time" still mostly doesn't mean anything for tiering purposes.
The only raws anyone ever seems to have access to are Spanish, unfortunately.Doesn't Chouzenshuu have a japanese version..?
Eh not really. "Transcending space and time" doesn't really indicate something higher dimensional and more indicates a realm which lacks those things.Not on its own, but it can help
Eh not really. "Transcending space and time" doesn't really indicate something higher dimensional and more indicates a realm which lacks those things.Also with context something transcending space and time in a general sense would also be low 1-A or 1-A
Am i the only person on this wiki that knows what a galaxy looks likeThat visuals imply that each universe is either 3-C or they have just one single universal size galaxy, both which are just factually wrong since the existence of multiple galaxies are mention in the Manga and show in Anime.
Yet another point for timeless Other World."Transcending space and time" doesn't really indicate something higher dimensional and more indicates a realm which lacks those things.
realYet another point for timeless Other World.
Yet another point for timeless Other World.
I will hunt down that Chozenshu if it means I can use it in conjunction with the original series's Japanese transcript, and the Super Exciting Guide, and the "temporal world" comments, and the Daizenshuu to prove timeless Other World.
Is this video correct or is it some other variation of the guidebook?I will hunt down that Chozenshu if it means I can use it in conjunction with the original series's Japanese transcript, and the Super Exciting Guide, and the "temporal world" comments, and the Daizenshuu to prove timeless Other World.
The return of CryoTheMayo…Is this video correct or is it some other variation of the guidebook?
The scan from the Daizenshuu 4 and the page shown in the Chozenshu 1 video I posted can be compared to confirm if they are identical in contents.If yall want the raws, this Wiki has them compiled
No no, that's actually a good point.In my opinion the fact we have to go so far when it’s stated in guides and by Goku verbatim says a lot about how the Wiki takes in evidence as it sees fit. I also never understood the claim that the “Saiyan Saga disproves it,” when all it proves is that time still moves normally outside of the Otherworld like we see happen with other Timeless Dimensions in fiction, or the Room of Spirit and Time, which has its own accelerated flow.
We do tho. We gave GP space-time hax due to that.it's exactly that why we dont accept world of void as timeless (48m lol), time STILL passes.
Bingo!
With ごと ("each") transformation, Frieza's power is 高める ("[raised]; [boosted]; [enhanced]") by 何倍 ("manyfold").
Given the Second Form "more than" doubles Frieza's power, "manyfold" should be, at bare minimum, over two-times, which means Frieza jumps from >14.82449109 Quettatons (Small Star level), to >29.6489822 Quettatons, to >59.2979644 Quettatons, to >118.595929 Quettatons (Small Star level+), and then up to 4743.83716 Quettatons (Large Star level) at 100% Full Power and as Mecha Frieza.
We do tho. We gave GP space-time hax due to that.
This seems right yeah, can anyone decipher the kanjis here? It's a bit blurry for me to make outIs this video correct or is it some other variation of the guidebook?
Bingo!
With ごと ("each") transformation, Frieza's power is 高める ("[raised]; [boosted]; [enhanced]") by 何倍 ("manyfold").
Given the Second Form "more than" doubles Frieza's power, "manyfold" should be, at bare minimum, over two-times, which means Frieza jumps from >14.82449109 Quettatons (Small Star level), to >29.6489822 Quettatons, to >59.2979644 Quettatons, to >118.595929 Quettatons (Small Star level+), and then up to 4743.83716 Quettatons (Large Star level) at 100% Full Power and as Mecha Frieza.
dang beat me to itI'd like to use Goku questioning if Vegeta or Piccolo had defeated Frieza for scaling, but he only asked because he could not identify the Ki as Trunks's or a Super Saiyan's.Frieza Saga
- Empowered by rage, Gohan briefly succeeds in harming the invincible Third Form Frieza. >59.2979644 Quettatons (Small Star level)
- Post-Zenkai Goku battles evenly with Frieza for an extended period of time. >118.595929 Quettatons (Small Star level+)
- The Kaio-ken amplifies Goku's abilities by ten and twenty-fold, respectively. >1185.95929 Quettatons / 2371.91858 Quettatons (Large Star level)
- As a Super Saiyan, Goku's strength is multiplied by fifty-times. >5929.79645 Quettatons
Trunks the Story -The Lone Warrior-/Trunks Saga
- Having trained and fought with the Androids for nearly two decades, Future Gohan is far stronger than his younger self. >59.2979644 Quettatons
- As a Super Saiyan, Gohan's strength is multiplied by fifty-times. >2964.89822 Quettatons
- Future Android 17 battled SSJ Future Gohan with less than half of his full power. >5929.79645 Quettatons
- After mechanizing, Frieza was confident in being stronger than Goku. >5929.79645 Quettatons
- SSJ Future Trunks defeated Frieza "in seconds".
Cell Saga
- After absorbing 600,000+ Earthlings, Cell gained power exceeding that of Piccolo and Android 17. >5929.79645 Quettatons
- By absorbing Android 17, Cell adds his power atop its own. >11859.5929 Quettatons
- Even as regular Super Saiyans, Post-RoSaT Vegeta and Trunks surpass Semi-Perfect Cell. >11859.5929 Quettatons
- In their normal forms, Vegeta and Trunks are fifty-times weaker. >237.191858 Quettatons (Star level)
- By absorbing Android 18, Cell adds her power atop its own. >17789.3893 Quettatons
- Cell undergoes a Super Saiyan Third Grade-like (同様 dōyō; "identical") transformation. >37.2162956 Foe (Solar System level)
Cell Games Saga (Pt. 1)
- At half strength, SSJ Goku far surpasses the Z-Fighters, including the likes of Trunks. >1.48865182 Foe
- In his normal form, Goku is fifty-times weaker. >711.57557 Quettatons
- The Cell Juniors possess Cell's power. >17789.3893 Quettatons
- Post-2nd RoSaT SSJ Vegeta and Trunks can fight equally with the Cell Juniors.
- In their normal forms, Vegeta and Trunks are fifty-times weaker. >355.787786 Quettatons
- Post-RoSaT Piccolo can hold off the Cell Juniors.
World Tournament Saga
- The East Supreme Kai, Shin, is "dimensions apart" from Piccolo. >17789.3893 Quettatons
- Long story short, Gohan is stronger than Shin.
- As a Super Saiyan 2, Gohan's strength is increased by a hundred-fold. >74.4325912 Foe
Babidi Saga
- SSJ Gohan exchanges blows "evenly" with Dabura. >37.2162956 Foe (Solar System level)
Cell Games Saga (Pt. 2)
- Despite a self-imposed limitation born of a gentle-heartedness (requires citation), SSJ Gohan is stronger than Babidi Saga SSJ Gohan. >37.2162956 Foe
- Without even powering up further from the fight with Goku, Cell stomps a passive Gohan.
- At full power, Cell far surpasses anything demonstrated prior, barring the power of a next-level Super Saiyan.
- Blinded by anger, Cell enters a Third Grade-like form again. >1.86081478 KiloFOE
- SSJ2 Gohan two-shots Powerweighted Cell.
- At full power, SSJ Gohan should be half as strong. >930.40739 Foe
- In his normal form, Gohan is one-hundred-times weaker. >18.6081478 Foe (Large Star level+)
- Super Perfect Cell is more powerful than ever.
- The Solar Kamehameha threatened the destruction of the entire solar system. >1.053 KiloFOE
- With half his Ki, the Father-Son Kamehameha annihilated Cell. >2.106 KiloFOE
Majin Buu Saga
- SSJ3 Goku is four-times as strong as before. >7.44325912 KiloFOE
- Majin Buu battles equally with SSJ3 Goku.
- Gotenks and Krillin are confident the former can defeat Majin Buu, and the Daizenshuu 7 asserts that Gotenks "seized the initiative battle", only ever losing in the end, implying he can fight back against Buu; ultimately, though, he was defeated, but survived.
- SSJ Gotenks can circle the globe "a few dozen times". >372.162956 KiloFOE
Fusion Saga
- Despite Piccolo believing they needed Super Saiyan based off of their previous performance, after training in the Room of Spirit and Time, Gotenks grew powerful enough that Piccolo believed he could battle Super Buu normally; ultimately, though, he needed Super Saiyan. >372.162956 KiloFOE
- In SSJ, Gotenks is fifty-times stronger than in his normal form. >1.24054319 MegaFOE
- In SSJ3, Gotenks is eight-times stronger than before. >9.92434552 MegaFOE
- Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks are equally matched.
- Buutenks is stronger than Super Buu, but weaker than Ultimate Gohan yet.
- Ultimate Gohan far surpasses the abilities of Super Saiyan 3. (requires citation)
- By absorbing Gotenks and then Gohan, Buu gains infinite power. >19.848691 MegaFOE
- By virtue of a rival boost, the fusion of Goku and Vegeta (Vegito) is more powerful than the fusion of Goku and Gohan. (requires citation) >9.92434552 MegaFOE
- Super Vegito is the greatest known superpower in the universe, eclipsing the likes of Buuhan. >496.217276 MegaFOE
Based on what logic? The World of Living still has a flow of time, one, so that legitimately doesn’t work. It’s also not like time “stops” for Goku. All that occurs is time moves naturally in the Mortal Universe while Goku ***** off. Like, that line of thinking doesn’t apply unless specified by the story. Two, all of the means that Goku watches Otherworld are through the Gods. Crystal Orbs, King Kai’s Clairvoyance, etc. Essentially, magical powers. This means no one actually views them in the normal way to achieve that effect.No no, that's actually a good point.
Why would time flow at all? If other world is timeless, aka, 0 time passes, then 0 time should pass elsewhere, when viewed from the perspective of other world and its inhabitants.
Except that isn’t necessary?This is contradicted quite literally like 100+ times. Even just Goku dipping in for a minute, and then going home, or chichi saying it's been a few months since he ****** off to train with king kai, in which it's been a few months, or goku zipping across snake away as time passes and nappa beats mfs. Other World and the uni seem to have the exact timeflow even (no im not saying theynhave the same space-time, sheesh), as in, 1 second there, 1 second out. The perception of time seems the same.
Except the RoSaT doesn’t operate based on the Earth? It’s just conveniently moving at a speed specifically a year’s worth. Just like how other versions move at their own time rates. Furthermore, again, I have no idea why Time can’t just pass linearly while the people outside time enter and exit time.And bringing up the ROSAT is actually a counterpoint. While time passes in both dimensions, time passes at a RELATIVE rate. Ie, one year in there, one day out there. To give you an idea why this BAD, arguing heaven has some sort of fucky time but time still passes normally out of it, would be like arguing despite the ROSAT having ****** up time, 1 year in there, 1 year out of it. Which obviously, nuh uh, the ROSAT paints a clear picture on how actual time discrepancy fuckery acts.
What sense does this make? The only one whose time perception should be ****** is the guy in the timeless dimension, not those in normal time around him. Just because time doesn’t pass in another realm doesn’t suddenly make another reality stop having its own flow.And other media actually dont get that accepted if say, bro goes in, ***** around, exits, and time passes..it only works if bro enters, ***** around, exits and NO time passes.And if they did, tell me which, that's hypocritical double standards.