Wrong, that is not enough on its own whatsoever, every different dimension, be it a separated space time or not, is physically separated from another dimension, this does not prove that the kaioshin realm is a separated space time, or the afterlife, or any other dimension in the macrocosm for that matter
I am pretty sure he is given the fact he never went to a fight after fighting fat buu so you can't even say his body went through a zenkai boost and he was pretty confident that he would beat piccolo absorbed buu
What? He was confident that Gohan could beat Piccolo-Buu, not himself.
Fair point my bad
Here in the wiki we consider Super Buu superior to Ssj3 Goku, he says as much when he talks to vegeta, also Gohan is there with Buucolo and he never says he can take him out himself, only that fusion wasn't needed anymore, since Gohan is much stronger than him at that moment, it doesn't say much about him scaling
Yes it is, that is literally all that is required, if its physically separated, its a different spacetime, hell it can even share the same time axis and still be a different spacetime.
No it can't.
Spatial separation alone isn't enough on here, he's right on that point. Don't look at the timeline shit, it's got nothing to do with the discussion, and it's a standard that is specifically applied to branching timelines.
No, the idea behind tier 2 is to be able to destroy individual universal sized 4D objects. 2 spacetimes in the same timeline is not 2 individual 4D objects, but 1 4D object.
No, the need to be separated for an infinite amount of time:
no that isn't enough on its own and i have no idea you would think it is
That is irrelevant to the point
yeah I done goofed that one.
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We're currently discussing the validity of the kaioshin realm being a separate spacetime
Thanks.
Currently the topic is the afterlife, the kaioshin realm was brought up as well, but i would really like that we focus on the afterlife first since it the most important for scalling
I've already covered how ki and power are not the same thing so it being ki signature is impossible. and King Kai's world not shaking would just mean it's not strong in that area either, both are very far away from the center of where the power is coming from
Well, you can see the arguments for the other world being a space-time of Universal size as well, what remains now is only the Kaioshin realm.
which is still under discussion
since you didn't put an opinion here yet, do you have any so far regarding the afterlife?
The RoSaT is stated to be a world with a different time dimension from the Kaioshin Realm. That means they already have distinct time dimensions. I think that it’s already been discussed that attacks can have interdimensional range. Pretty different from someone physically traveling especially when the daizenshuu and chozenshuu outright state that you can only travel to the Kaioshin Realm by teleportation.
If I'm reading that right. That would prove the RoSaT has a different time from the other dimensions, but that wouldn't imply the time dimension for the Kaioshim Realm is different from the normal universe, just that the RoSaT has its own separate time dimension from everything else. At least from my understanding.
Sure, it’s called Heavenly Realm and The Cosmos. Doesn’t contradict the latter.
The different Realms within the macrocosm are referred to as Worlds. So, if the RoSaT is another world with a different time dimension from the Kaioshin Realm it would be in reference to the Kaioshin Realm. Also, the subspace being between all these realms, but lacking the space-time conceptually, also proving that their time dimensions are serviced within their own world.
first off, i am not arguing this, i presented both arguments in the OP for evaluationBtw I want to make this point clearly known. I have no idea why the OP is arguing why that the kanji of the Cosmos doesn’t match.
second off, it isn't called "a" cosmos but "the" cosmos, aka it would be saying that the afterlife is "the universe" which wouldn't make much sense when taking into account that in the same scan and guidebook the living world has the designation of "the universe", them using these 2 words to describe different things but using the same meaning for both would be......weird ngl, outside the fact that it doesn't look like our universe which is what cosmos means when used to say "universe", Null presented a good argument about it just being used to symbolize the order function the afterlife has on the universe, since cosmos is more related to universal order in its meaning
the arguments used by the people disagreeing with it are in the OP......even if you don't agree you should know why they think that way
this proves that the ROSAT is a different space time from the other dimensions like the Kaioshin Realm......it doesn't prove that the Kaioshin Realm is another dimension when compared to any other dimension however since only the ROSAT is mentioned at this statement
no? the ROSAT is said to be the world with a different time dimension, they are using "world" to talk about the ROSAT not the kaioshin realm
how is something without time and space being between dimension with space should proof that all dimensions are separated spatial and timely if what separates them doesn't have either? how does this prove temporal separation?
i see
tell me, why would they have "the universe" put twice to describe what different things.....if they would be saying the same thing? the living world being said to be the universe is weird if it also that the afterlife is the universe, which one is considered "the universe" here if both are being said to have the same title as "the universe"? if it said "a cosmos" the argument could be had, but here it is just......weird
i mean........yeah? doesn't help to say that the Kaioshin Realm and say, the afterlife, have different space times tho
again, how is something lacking both being between them a proof of them having temporal separation? i don't get that logic
I figured the reason why a spacetimeless void existing between dimensions would prove spatiotemporal separation would be pretty straightforward? Where's the confusion?
Well it’s called a Heavenly Realm in Japanese and then it’s called The Cosmos, so it could simply be a heavenly variant of the Universe. We just know it’s called The Cosmos, it seeming weird isn’t really an argument.
They’re worlds with different time dimensions. So, that would mean it’s referring EXPLICTLY about the worlds themselves having separate time dimensions. The Kaioshin realm and afterlife for example are not one world, they’re distinct worlds within the macrocosm. The same way the RoSaT is a world within the macrocosm, but it’s a distinct world from the others within the macrocosm.
This is pretty much why, as Profectus showed a message by Ultima. The logic is either way, that they can’t share the same time dimension since the thing that separates them lacks time in general. So, that would mean they’d have to be separate. As Ultima’s comment here also points out.I figured the reason why a spacetimeless void existing between dimensions would prove spatiotemporal separation would be pretty straightforward? Where's the confusion?
Now this is reasoning I can get behind. Yes, if there is stated to be a void that separated the worlds and has no space or time then they can't share the same time dimension as the are separated by something that doesn't have the means to connect them spatially or temporally. So they could potentially be there own space-times
