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Doom Eternal - The Ancient Gods - Part Two CRT (Spoilers Ahead)

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with all due respect there is tiny difference between destroying a mountain with your hands over a few eons and litreally destroying an infinite amount of space and time my good man
 
How about this. We go with possibly tier 2 physicals on the basis that Davoth could physically destroy the multiverse given enough context, but with the context we currently have, it's either-or and we can't be sure either way. We can prove the positive that Davoth somehow has a way to destroy the multiverse but we don't know how. Likelyhood of being physical ability is that 1) Davoth lacks any hax whatsoever, 2) Two Primevals existing will destroy a realm with strength (not power, strength) and 3) Hell is an extension of Davoth's power with no further context
 
WeeklyBattles said:
"Examples include on screen demonstrations, examples of destruction, or information that the same pool of energy used to create said dimension can translate to the same amount of energy being used for other abilities including but not limited to physical strikes."

Yes

This is the problem you guys have yet to address

You need ither an explicit feat of destruction or a direct application of the energy used in the creation being used as a dirct AP feat
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em his movement litreally creating universes
and him just sitting about creating urdak is pretty explicit if you ask me
 
Sir_Ovens said:
How about this. We go with possibly tier 2 physicals on the basis that Davoth could physically destroy the multiverse given enough context, but with the context we currently have, it's either-or and we can't be sure either way. We can prove the positive that Davoth somehow has a way to destroy the multiverse but we don't know how. Likelyhood of being physical ability is that 1) Davoth lacks any hax whatsoever, 2) Two Primevals existing will destroy a realm with strength (not power, strength) and 3) Hell is an extension of Davoth's power with no further context
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yes yes yes
more matches that way too
we can have our cake and eat it too this way

we can have 7-B matches and 2B to 2A matches
 
The way I see it
Davoth created, well, everything. The multitude, jekkad, which would eventually become hell. And he threatened to destroy everything too in his fight with the slayer, something that isn't an empty threat when you've already created something.

His primordial physiology means that even him existing in a universe with another primordial would cause said universe to collapse.

Hell itself is a 2-B realm with 2-B power, this being an extension of his full power should be further evidence to suggest he's this strong.

His physical form is not depowered iirc, he is just as strong in his physical form as he is in his non-corporeal form.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
em his movement litreally creating universes
and him just sitting about creating urdak is pretty explicit if you ask me
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Cool, not show him dstroying them, thatis what you need to prove he can do in order to argue scaling
 
Are there holes in doom’s story? Yes of corse. But the thing is weekly your alternative scenarios make less sense than the 2-B scaling.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
How about this. We go with possibly tier 2 physicals on the basis that Davoth could physically destroy the multiverse given enough context, but with the context we currently have, it's either-or and we can't be sure either way. We can prove the positive that Davoth somehow has a way to destroy the multiverse but we don't know how. Likelyhood of being physical ability is that 1) Davoth lacks any hax whatsoever, 2) Two Primevals existing will destroy a realm with strength (not power, strength) and 3) Hell is an extension of Davoth's power with no further context
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This is fine with me.
 
KieranH10 said:
The way I see it
Davoth created, well, everything. The multitude, jekkad, which would eventually become hell. And he threatened to destroy everything too in his fight with the slayer, something that isn't an empty threat when you've already created something.
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going by our creation feats that doesntmatter. He needs feat of destruction othrwis its justhearsaay especially whn h never demonstrates that kind of power in regars to AP
KieranH10 said:
His primordial physiology means that even him existing in a universe with another primordial would cause said universe to collapse.
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Stabilization feats mean this no longer scales to AP
KieranH10 said:
Hell itself is a 2-B realm with 2-B power, this being an extension of his full power should be further evidence to suggest he's this strong.
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Creation feats mean this no longer scales to AP
KieranH10 said:
His physical form is not depowered iirc, he is just as strong in his physical form as he is in his non-corporeal form.
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Thatrally doesnt mattr if neither form has tier 2 gneral AP
 
Sir_Ovens said:
How about this. We go with possibly tier 2 physicals on the basis that Davoth could physically destroy the multiverse given enough context, but with the context we currently have, it's either-or and we can't be sure either way. We can prove the positive that Davoth somehow has a way to destroy the multiverse but we don't know how. Likelyhood of being physical ability is that 1) Davoth lacks any hax whatsoever, 2) Two Primevals existing will destroy a realm with strength (not power, strength) and 3) Hell is an extension of Davoth's power with no further context
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Weekly, could you address this?
 
WeeklyBattles said:
going by our creation feats that doesntmatter. He needs feat of destruction othrwis its justhearsaay especially whn h never demonstrates that kind of power in regars to AP
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Him threatening his capacity to destroy everything after already creating everything isn't enough evidence? The statement is along the lines of, "just as all was created by my hand, all shall be destroyed"
WeeklyBattles said:
Creation feats mean this no longer scales to AP
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I'm not arguing this as a creation feat, hell's power is literally his own
 
Weekly’s argument would make sense if he had a good idea of how Davoth would destroy the multiverse. Since he claims it wouldn’t be by physical means
 
no

7-B makes no sense whatsoever. There was only one who could even bring down a universal structure (Icon of Sin), and he would have to be resurrected after the process.

The issue is this army is not equipped to rip apart a low 2-C or even 3-A structure. I think Weekly is mistaking destruction for corruption. Which is what has happened to other worlds.
 
yeah honestly if im not really going for my want to have the ability to have 7-B matches as well as 2B/2A matches for doomguy
2-A makes most sense as destroying a 2-A multiverse no matter how big your army is would require 2-A AP
 
Sir_Ovens said:
How about this. We go with possibly tier 2 physicals on the basis that Davoth could physically destroy the multiverse given enough context, but with the context we currently have, it's either-or and we can't be sure either way. We can prove the positive that Davoth somehow has a way to destroy the multiverse but we don't know how. Likelyhood of being physical ability is that 1) Davoth lacks any hax whatsoever, 2) Two Primevals existing will destroy a realm with strength (not power, strength) and 3) Hell is an extension of Davoth's power with no further context
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Okay but that not only goes against all of the context of the DLC but outright spits in the face of our standards. We need proof in order to scale the creation feats to physicals, something that does not exist outside of assumptions and guesswork. The fact that we literally do not know how he would have done it means we have to rely on Occam's Razor to determine the most likely outcome, and given that he does not demonstrate tier 2 feats of destruction at any point in the game and he explicitly used an army and planned to wage war on creation rather than outright destroying it instantly, it dictates that he was not going to destroy it in a physical manner using 2-B physical or general power and was rathr going to destroy it in a manner of 'im going to destroy the world', wiping out everything in it over time using his armies and the physical power he did possess, power on par with the Slayer.

As for the Primevils that would be a feat of Destabilization, which no longr scales to AP feats as per our new standards. Same with Hell being an extension, would scal to creation butnot general AP
 
Davoth created everything by moving through the void of existence. Weekly made the claim that he will destroy everything he created the same way that he created it, which means he created every realm at least 1 at a time, and that he will destroy them the same way, 1 at a time. In order to do this, he needs to destroy every single realm that he created in order to properly destroy everything. Meaning he has to destroy Hell, an at least 2-B structure, which is possibly far higher.

He specifically states HE unmake it, not his armies, not anything else. Him. By HIS hand all things were made, and they shall be unmade.
 
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