Doom Eternal - The Ancient Gods - Part Two CRT (Spoilers Ahead)

[Shmooply]

Hey man the entire doom downgrade server agreed with me regarding what was said in that argument, even Ion agreed

 

[Axxtentacle]

That is literally the entire argument my guy, Creation and destruction over time

You didn’t mention destruction though?

“Over Time”, he creates each realm individually, stop taking it out of context in order to support your blatant lies.

YOU argued he was going to destroy it the same way he created it, which is at worst, 1 realm at a time with a casual physical movement.

 

[DTG499]

Alduin has an army of dragons therefore he needs the army, therefore he’s tier 7.

 

[Axxtentacle]

You guys know how Thanos had an army? He now NEEDS the army to snap with the Infinity Gauntlet.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ok then how would he have destroyed it then?

Over time with th armies he was using explicitly to wage war

 

[Sir_sun_man]

im all for tier 2 doom

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Alduin has an army of dragons therefore he needs the army, therefore he’s tier 7.

Alduin can and has eaten universes in one go, the Dark Lord has not

 

[Axxtentacle]

Over time with th armies he was using explicitly to wage war

“was using explicitly to wage war”

Blatant lie. Yet again. Wanna tell me where he NEEDS the army or it’s EVER SUPPORTED IN CANON that’s what he’ll do?

Alduin can and has eaten universes in one go, the Dark Lord has not

Said he could.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Alduin has an army of dragons therefore he needs the army, therefore he’s tier 7.

You guys know how Thanos had an army? He now NEEDS the army to snap with the Infinity Gauntlet.

That's literally the only argument against it at this point.

 

[DTG499]

Over time with th armies he was using explicitly to wage war

How does it make sense to you that a bunch of tier 7s and 9s would destroy a 2-A realm?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yet again, he’s lying.

You know, instad of trying to smear my argumnt just because its a downgrade for your favorite verse how about you actually try to debate for once. show evidence that counters my claim instad of just using fallacy after fallacy to mak up for your lack of factual evidence

He states he’s going to destroy everything, implies the same way he made it.

Okay, so if i, a normal human, have a sledgehammer and i say im going to destroy a house that makes me 8-C

Lying about him needing an army, which is literally never a plot point nor is it confirmed literally anywhere.

Its literally th plot of the entir DLC wtf ar you talking about

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Since when was there a doom downgrade server? Regardless I don't see how that would be relevant.



The Dark Lord has also shown stuff that would at least hint that he is a threat to reality, like as said above in the OP, he created realms just by moving. Heck one of your arguments involved the mere existence of two Primevals in a realm would lead to the realm being destabilized. If anything, the burden of proof is on you. You need to prove that he needs his army, just because he has an army doesn't necessarily mean he needed them to be a threat to all of existence. Many powerful villains in fiction have armies, so Davoth isn't at all a special case here.

As for why he didn't just destroy all of existence when he was reincarnated. Well, he just decided to fight the Doom Slayer instead, it was literally the battle that would decide the fate of existence as laid out above in the OP.



But you were unable to prove your point earlier about Primevals stabilizing their respective realms by showing scans? Which wasn't necessary anyway since there was nothing along those lines. I'm starting to doubt we should listen to you on this.

I felt this needed to be reposted, since this seemed to have been looked over.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

How does it make sense to you that a bunch of tier 7s and 9s would destroy a 2-A realm?

Because they wouldnt have destroyed the ralm itself, its justan 'im going to destroy the world' statement but with creation instead of world

 

[Shmooply]

You know, instad of trying to smear my argumnt just because its a downgrade for your favorite verse how about you actually try to debate for once. show evidence that counters my claim instad of just using fallacy after fallacy to mak up for your lack of factual evidence

...you just provided a counter yourself. You straight up said that it's a claim.

 

[Axxtentacle]

You know, instad of trying to smear my argumnt just because its a downgrade for your favorite verse how about you actually try to debate for once. show evidence that counters my claim instad of just using fallacy after fallacy to mak up for your lack of factual evidence

You never showed evidence for yours. Show your scans, where it says everything you’re claiming. Everything we’re arguing has already been shown and you can read it all here. They have it all sourced as well.

It’s not my job to prove your interpretation wrong when you haven’t proven it in the first place.

Okay, so if i, a normal human, have a sledgehammer and i say im going to destroy a house that makes me 8-C

Nulled by your own argument of doing it the same way he created it.

Its literally th plot of the entir DLC wtf ar you talking about

No, the plot of the DLC is that the dark lord came back to life and the Doom Slayer needs to kill him. You don’t just ASSUME he needs the army because it’s there.

Because they wouldnt have destroyed the ralm itself, its justan 'im going to destroy the world' statement but with creation instead of world

Yet again, no proof he needed the army for this. Stop arguing with your headcanon.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Since when was there a doom downgrade server? Regardless I don't see how that would be relevant.

Since Doom Eternal came out

The Dark Lord has also shown stuff that would at least hint that he is a threat to reality, like as said above in the OP, he created realms just by moving. Heck one of your arguments involved the mere existence of two Primevals in a realm would lead to the realm being destabilized. If anything, the burden of proof is on you. You need to prove that he needs his army, just because he has an army doesn't necessarily mean he needed them to be a threat to all of existence. Many powerful villains in fiction have armies, so Davoth isn't at all a special case here.

Threat to reality =/= tier 2

Creation no longr auto-scales to physicals

destabailization no longer auto-scales to physicals

I dontneed to prove a negative, you guys are the ones who need to show vidence that he has tir 2 physical feats that arent creation or dstabilization-based

As for why he didn't just destroy all of existence when he was reincarnated. Well, he just decided to fight the Doom Slayer instead, it was the battle that would decide the fate of existence.

But you were unable to prove your point earlier about Primevals stabilizing their respective realms by showing scans? Which wasn't necessary anyway since there was nothing along those lines. I'm starting to doubt we should listen to you on this.

Oh im notexpectinganyone to listen to me, im justgiving you guys a warning that even if you get the upgrade put throughit will almost immediately be reversed as the amount of people who are against tier 2 doom far outnumber the people who are for it

 

[WeeklyBattles]

...you just provided a counter yourself. You straight up said that it's a claim.

Everything said in a debate is a claim my dude

 

[DTG499]

Hell can actively destroy and absorb countless universes because of Davoth.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Everything said in a debate is a claim my dude

But you never gave evidence. The evidence for what we’re arguing for is in the OP. You give your info or your opinion is entirely useless. Your opposition will mean nothing.

 

[SpookyShadow]

I just want to rudely interrupt and say, for the god-knows-which-time Weekly, if you want to make your "server" argument valid, bring their asses in here. That argument holds literally no weight until they come in here and agree themselves.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Hell can actively destroy and absorb countless universes because of Davoth.

Absorption is not a feat of AP

Show where he destroyed Hell itself

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I just want to rudely interrupt and say, for the god-knows-which-time Weekly, if you want to make your "server" argument valid, bring their asses in here. That argument holds literally no weight until they come in here and agree themselves.

Can do

 

[DTG499]

Absorption is not a feat of AP

Show where he destroyed Hell itself

Hell is literally moving entire universes into itself how is that not AP?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

But you never gave evidence. The evidence for what we’re arguing for is in the OP. You give your info or your opinion is entirely useless. Your opposition will mean nothing.

I literally posted the standards and rules the wiki uses for tiering, now it is your turn to explain why the feats fit within those rules and standards if you want any chance of arguing that they scale

 

[Axxtentacle]

I literally posted the standards and rules the wiki uses for tiering, now it is your turn to explain why the feats fit within those rules and standards if you want any chance of arguing that they scale

It’s all already there. Your claims are that

1. He needs an army

2. He is just going to wipe out the populations

We’ve already been over all of this multiple times. It’s your turn to back it up.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It’s all already there. Your claims are that

1. He needs an army

2. He is just going to wipe out the populations

We’ve already been over all of this multiple times. It’s your turn to back it up.

The only on saying he needs an army is you my guy, you keep twisting what im saying to try to make my argument look bad lol

I do not ned to prove a negative, you ned to prove it scales to physicals

 

[DTG499]

Because they wouldnt have destroyed the ralm itself, its justan 'im going to destroy the world' statement but with creation instead of world

No Davoth said he would destroy the same way he created it.

 

[Axxtentacle]

The only on saying he needs an army is you my guy, you keep twisting what im saying to try to make my argument look bad lol

Blatant lie.

Over time with th armies he was using explicitly to wage war

Stop lying.

I do not ned to prove a negative, you ned to prove it scales to physicals

I’ve given my argument. We’ve given the arguments already.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No Davoth said he would destroy the same way he created it.

Over time, yes

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Blatant lie.

Stop lying.

I’ve given my argument. We’ve given the arguments already.

Such a good argument. All smears and no actual evidence. Good job

You have not given any arguments explaining why it scales to physicals

 

[DTG499]

Weekly you also keep ignoring a lot the things I keep asking of you like the codex with the destabilization quote and you just keep using the argument of lack of evidence when we have more evidence within the story proving they are tier 2.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Over time, yes

when was it stated that it would be overtime weekly
where in the quote
"as all things where made by my hand, so they will be unmade"
does it imply over time?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Weekly you also keep ignoring a lot the things I keep asking of you like the codex with the destabilization quote and you just keep using the argument of lack of evidence when we have more evidence within the story proving they are tier 2.

Such as?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I'm pretty sure Hell being a 2-B entity being an extension of Davoth's power is pretty blatant 2-B scaling.

 

[Axxtentacle]

You lied about your own argument, dude. Come on.

Over time, yes

Yet again, misconstruing of information. OVER TIME IS NOT A CREATION METHOD. At worst, he created 1 reality at a time, but he states he will destroy everything he created, so he’s going to destroy them all one at a time. Which includes Hell.

Such a good argument. All smears and no actual evidence. Good job

I showed you making a claim you said you didn’t make. You keep repeating this “no actual evidence” drivel when i’ve already given you the link to the Doom Wiki which has literally all of the lore written word for word, additionally having it all sourced.

It’s also ALREADY IN THE ******* OP.

You have not given any arguments explaining why it scales to physicals

I have. Ignoring them doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

when was it stated that it would be overtime weekly
where in the quote
"as all things where made by my hand, so they will be unmade"
does it imply over time?

Ask Axx, he's the one who brought it up

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Ask Axx, he's the one who brought it up

you are useing mate don't avoid the question

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'm pretty sure Hell being a 2-B entity being an extension of Davoth's power is pretty blatant 2-B scaling.

Due to our new standards, 'being an extension' no longer auto-scales to physical power

 

[Cyberblader90]

ok we are derailing

Can we get back on track

 

[WeeklyBattles]

you are useing mate don't avoid the question

I dont know. Ask Axx. He is th on who suggested that it was done over time. I do now know where he got this idea from.