The Only Thing They Fear Is... You - DOOM Revisions (Part 2)

[Vietthai96]

I disagree with sou absorption based on the reason that his suit can absorb agent energy, like, he just absorb the energy, not human soul, agent energy made from human soul doesn't mean it is literal soul, because human soul was tranformed into energy, isn't soul anymore

 

[Planck69]

I don't believe simply closing a portal would be Power Null, no. Power Null would be more like if the portal didn't work even if when it was open. Also, we don't tend to give resistances to all of someone's hax via statements of "being unstoppable to them" or something of the sort

To be fair it can happen but the statement and surrounding context need to be a lot more explicit about it.

And yeah, closing a portal isn't Power Nullification like, what.

 

[Theglassman12]

Now that we're on the topic, does closing a portal grant you the ability to gain all the abilities of said portal just because it's an electromagnetic quantum field? I feel like that's a stretch to push for a feat like closing a portal.

 

[Firestorm808]

Will go over after work.

 

[TyphonEX]

Regarding resistance to paralysis and other hax from the low tier demons, how do we know that Doomguy has immunity to their hax? For all we know, isn't it possible that they can't hurt him but can affect him with their hax? I'd argue that a better justification for paralysis is Doomguy resisting the omnidirectional effects of the Sentinel Hammer (which stuns enemies), but idk about perception manipulation or even the essence-draining doomguy currently has listed on his profile.

Is the dimensional travel and time travel remotely elaborated upon or no? Because knowing how Hell is a sentient realm with access to other realities this sounds more like Doom's just going through hell rather than him actively having the ability to travel through time or dimensions.

The way the codex talks about earth seems to indicate that there is only one singular (not just this citation, but other parts of the book of seraphs too) earth and that classic Doom's events take place in the same dimension(s) as Doom Eternal's events. Another part of the codex even talks about Samur going to THE (which seems to imply all of them) earthly dimensions yet only describes actions that only occurred in Doom Eternal's sequence of events, such as humans developing and using Argent Energy and only then proceeding to be attacked by demons, so there can't be a separate earth where Samur doesn't do all of this. Additionally, it wouldn't make sense for Doomguy to have gone to another earth considering the fact that doing so would have left the original Earth undefended (since there is only one prophesied Destroyer of the demons and Maykrs, the Doomguy). While Doomguy might not be aware of this, the Maykrs definitely would. Considering the fact that they didn't just go off and casually take over another earth separate from Doom Eternal's earth, I don't think that Doomguy just left his own earth and went to a different one. Due to all this Doomguy traveling to a time before the demon invasion can only reasonably be inferred to be via time travel, which is even more likely considering the fact that Doomguy did fight Doom Hunters millenia before Doom Eternal took place.

 

[ShionAH]

Regarding resistance to paralysis and other hax from the low tier demons, how do we know that Doomguy has immunity to their hax? For all we know, isn't it possible that they can't hurt him but can affect him with their hax?

That’s not how haxes work, Doom Guy does not have HDE

You can read here to understand how Haxes work

Hax

Hax is a catch-all term for abilities that can be used to ignore/bypass one or more of a target's statistics, rendering them irrelevant. The most common hax are the ones that ignore durability, and their scale/potency are unrelated to their users' AP & Tier, however, they can be measured with...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Firestorm808]

Can you re-organize the op regarding which key the ability first appears in?

 

[ShionAH]

Can you re-organize the op regarding which key the ability first appears in?

why

 

[Firestorm808]

why

For example:

Type 2 - Doomguy is described as an immortal heavy hitter, allowing him to push past mortal wounds and certain death through sheer willpower[1]

I assume this is meant to be first in his Sentinel Key.

 

[TyphonEX]

That’s not how haxes work, Doom Guy does not have HDE

You can read here to understand how Haxes work

Hax

Hax is a catch-all term for abilities that can be used to ignore/bypass one or more of a target's statistics, rendering them irrelevant. The most common hax are the ones that ignore durability, and their scale/potency are unrelated to their users' AP & Tier, however, they can be measured with...

vsbattles.fandom.com

So, he resists it by sole means of his uncountably infinite transcendence over them? Does that mean he has no resistance against 5D versions of those particular hax?

 

[ShionAH]

I assume this is meant to be first in his Sentinel Key.

I mean shouldnt Classic also be capable since he has the same essence/will?

 

[Firestorm808]

I mean shouldnt Classic also be capable since he has the same essence/will?

To clarify, all the abilities you listed for DG in the OP are for his classic key due to essence?

 

[ShionAH]

To clarify, all the abilities you listed for DG in the OP are for his classic key due to essence?

Which ones you mean? OP shows all the changes made to the profile

I am confused on what part confuses you, whats the problem

 

[Firestorm808]

Which ones you mean? OP shows all the changes made to the profile

I am confused on what part confuses you, whats the problem

In your OP, you have a tab called PNA changes. The list isn't saying which key you are placing each ability in.

 

[ShionAH]

In your OP, you have a tab called PNA changes. The list isn't saying which key you are placing each ability in.

I dont think I am forced to go on to that much detail the rule doesnt say that, at that point you guys should look at the sandbox like its not that hard

 

[ShionAH]

Bump

Would this be HDE for Davoth and maybe also Doom Guy?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Anything I don't mention below I have no issues with. I'm not knowledgable about God Tiers or Demons, so I won't comment on that either.

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• Type 5 & 6 - Beings through their sheer hatred like the Summoners from DOOM 2016 were able to become ghosts, giving shape to their discorporate essence, Doom Guy has more hatred than anything in DOOM
  • No reason to assume this would apply to Slayer, and not just Summoners.
• Type 1, 2 and 7 - Can kill undead beings permanently and rather easily, both zombies and spirits. Undead beings, specifically due to their undead status, cannot be killed normally, allowing them to survive even if blown to pieces. They can even survive just as skeletons.
  • Remove Type 1.
• Low-Godly - Was able to kill the Mother Demon in DOOM 64. A being with vast rejuvenation powers, and can use said powers to heal itself, using it to recover from a crippled state. Said rejuvenation powers were able to resurrect all the fallen demons, including the Cyberdemon, who were reduced to just a hoof in the original games. This includes Lost Souls, souls that can achieve physical forms from nothing. Yet they are reduced to nothing when Doom Guy kills them)
  • If what Planck said was true, then High-Mid.
• Abstract Existence (Type 2 - He is the right hand of doom itself, he's the god of it;[1] he is doom.[1] Is believed to represent human kind's rage - their will to persevere, to overcome that which would threaten their survival[1]. Is the avatar[1] of wrath, chaos, rage, and uncompromising.[1])
  • Neutral.
• Dimensional Travel and Time Travel (Fought between worlds and through time during his terrible rancor against Hell[1])
  • Wrong scan?
• Enhanced Absorption, Soul Manipulation, and Higher-Dimensional Manipulation (Through Argent Receptors on the hands and chest of the Praetor Suit[1], he can freely absorb Argent Energy to his benefit[1]. Argent Energy is a boundless and endless power source that can give infinite power[1], and is made from extra-dimensional resources[1]. Argent Energy is also made of human souls[1])
  • I would say it depends on whether these are spatial dimensions. Absorbing something made of extra-spatial dimensions would be dimensional manipulation in my opinion.
• Density Manipulation (The UAC EMG Sidearm compresses up to four megawatts of Argent Energy to fire its projectiles[3]. The Combat Shotgun's mod, Charged Burst, gives the shotgun an argent-charged Compression Reloader that allows the operator to automatically fire up to three rounds in rapid succession. The Plasma Rifle condenses plasmoid to form Stun Bombs, which can then create pleasure waves)
  • Not directly manipulating density.
• Power Nullification, Electricity Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Dimensional Manipulation, Quantum Manipulation (The Demonic Crucible can be used to close off hell portals[3]. Hell portals are made by creating powerful electromagnetic frequencies that form inverse quantum fields, thus forming hell portals; tears in the fabric of space-time/dimensions[3])
  • Closing portals is not Power Nullification. Also, it wouldn't be Dimensional Manipulation, and Quantum Manipulation is being possibly removed.
• Vector Manipulation (In-Flight Mobility increases the Slayer's aerial movement when jumping[3])
  • Not Vector Manipulation.
• Limited Dimensional Manipulation (Can[1] destroy[1] structures[1] within[1] Urdak[1]. Urdak is a higher-dimensional[1] plane of existence fixed beyond the boundaries of the known mortal plane[1], completely inaccessible to lower beings like humans and Sentinels, and is described as a hub of transcendent technology[1])
  • Not how Dimensional Manipulation works anymore.
• Reality Warping, Law Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Quantum Manipulation, Limited Creation (The Doom Slayer can interact with ephemeral distortions within the fabric of reality; scrambled reflections of the physical world. Effectively speaking, this allows the Doom Slayer to change his appearance with the anomaly responding to the Slayer's memory, ancestral, and memetic data. The Doom Slayer's presence changes his surroundings into an arena suited for him[1]. Hence the appearance of health, ammo, armor, and other things that can benefit the Slayer that wouldn't normally be there like monkey-bars. This also indirectly creates dimensional abnormalities, quantum aberrations, and fragments the tenuous order of reality while fighting[1]. Doom Slayer is able to make the entire multiverse implode inward upon itself[1])
  • Quantum Manipulation may be deleted, so I would remove it just in case.

 

[ShionAH]

Bump? I'll apply Doom Slayers profile (removeing AE 2 for now) and we'll wait for God Tiers and Demon accepting.

 

[ShionAH]

Not how Dimensional Manipulation works anymore.

"Characters that can just move or otherwise physically handle higher- or lower-dimensional objects can receive "Limited Dimensional Manipulation"."

Uhh?

 

[ShionAH]

Nvm, I am applying Doom Guy

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

"Characters that can just move or otherwise physically handle higher- or lower-dimensional objects can receive "Limited Dimensional Manipulation"."

Are they talking about spatial dimensions in the video or just a higher dimension?

 

[ShionAH]

Are they talking about spatial dimensions in the video or just a higher dimension?

Urdak is considered 4D possibly 5D in Cosmology

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Urdak is considered 4D possibly 5D in Cosmology

I'm not talking Tiering System-wise, I'm talking spatially. Like does it have an additional spatial axis? If it does then I can see Dimensional Manipulation.

 

[ShionAH]

Like does it have an additional spatial axis?

Yeah it seems like it.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I suppose it's fine then.

 

[ShionAH]

I applied Doom Guy, so this CRT is now reduced to giving Essence hax to God Tiers and Demons.

God Tiers already have Essence accepted on their profiles so all that is left is demons really.

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Any opinions on it? I'd like to end this soon

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Don't really know the verse, or what it's godtiers are, or what essence is, so not really. Also, I don't think the AE Type 2 was agreed on.

 

[ShionAH]

Don't really know the verse, or what it's godtiers are, or what essence is, so not really.

Fair, thanks for helping

Also, I don't think the AE Type 2 was agreed on.

I am still editing the profile. Removing stuff that were rejected.

 

[Theglassman12]

Why is Doomguy’s last key 1-C for beating someone that’s Low 1-C?

 

[ShionAH]

Why is Doomguy’s last key 1-C for beating someone that’s Low 1-C?

Because Firestorm didnt apply the changes yet? I already asked staff to unlock the profile for Davoth so I can make him 1-C

 

[ShionAH]

Bump, all that left is Demon changes

 

[ShionAH]

nvm I am making a part 3

 

[Firestorm808]

Sorry. I've been busy the past week or so. What's the current staff consensus?

 

[ShionAH]

Sorry. I've been busy the past week or so. What's the current staff consensus?

This has been applied (only things that were accepted by everyone)

Things that werent accepted yet + extra stuff is in part 3