Doom Eternal - The Ancient Gods - Part Two CRT (Spoilers Ahead)

[DTG499]

Ok the main couple.

1. Hell was the first realm and is connected to all other realms

2. Davoth is actually the father and father/Vega is actually Davoth. The events don’t change, so when ever Davoth is mentioned in the codex just know it’s actually the father vise verse with the mentions of the father. I will continue to mention the father the same way he his mentioned in the codex, as Davoth, to avoid any further confusion. To make it easy I’ll just call “the father” Vega.

3. Davoth then created Makyr race, they didn’t specify wether or not he created the realm of urdak, it is likely that he did since he is actually the creator of all things.

4. It was Davoth that mind haxed or social influenced the Khan Makyr into believing that there would be chosen one who would destroy her race

5. Under the dark lord’s influence the Kahn Makyr directed the creation of the divinity machine and then placed a shard of the dark lord inside it.

6. The dark lord then brain washed Samur into thinking that the Khan Makyr will lead us to ruin.

7. Samur released doomguy from his prison and put him in the divinty machine, he instead this time reversed it. Putting the essence of the dark lord into doomguy.

8. Davoth had foreseen all the events of 2016 eternal and both dlcs happening. So better foresight than the divinty machine?

9. It is stated that the people of immora use regular infusions of hell energy to stop themselves from becoming demons. So when you have your soul and use hell energy you can resist the soul absorption effects. But when you don’t have a soul hell energy turns you into a demon.

 

[DTG499]

10. Also the dark lord screaming no when the khan Makyr died was confirmed by Hugo to be a mistake on their part and that it’s not Davoth or the father screaming. But something beyond them both.

 

[DTG499]

It’s stated the stone imps are only damaged by the sentinel hammer because of the vibrations it makes.

 

[DTG499]

So vibration hax for doomboy on top of the stun.

 

[Axxtentacle]

the Stone Imps being invulnerable doesn't really work either since glory kills, but yeah

 

[Axxtentacle]

With the changed OP, I obviously agree, but wouldn't it be "At least 2-B, likely 2-A, possibly Low 1-C"?

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

As someone who has been watching and supporting (mainly behind the scenes with Axxtentacle) the idea of a tier 2 Doom Slayer CRT since it started. I agree with the changed OP.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

I agree as well

 

[Roachman40]

I agree

 

[DTG499]

I agree with tier 2 slayer

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I agree with tier 2 slayer

Same.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I think if we go through with tier 2 Davoth, VEGA, and Slayer, we have to make it absolutely clear that the physical presence of two Primevals will destroy a realm.

 

[Axxtentacle]

You got a suggestion as to what we should write up for that?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I read the OP, and right now the only things that would point to physical tier 2 power would be the Primevals destroying realms with their presence and Hell being an extention of Davoth's power.

Those two parts should be made apparent in the reasoning.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I read the OP, and right now the only things that would point to physical tier 2 power would be the Primevals destroying realms with their presence and Hell being an extention of Davoth's power.

Those two parts should be made apparent in the reasoning.

Just want to point out that this no longer applies as a phyical feat dueto the standards rvisions

 

[Axxtentacle]

Ok... but why not

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ok... but why not

Because its a feat of destabilization caused by two Primevils existing in the same plane. You would need a feat of physical or direct destructive power to argue that it scals to their general AP

 

[Axxtentacle]

...where are you getting destabilization from

 

[WeeklyBattles]

...where are you getting destabilization from

From the lore? One of them is able to stabilize the existence of a realm but whn either two of them are in the sam realm or the one stabilizing the realm dies the realm collapses

 

[Axxtentacle]

It says nothing about stabilization though?

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

From the lore? One of them is able to stabilize the existence of a realm

Where exactly does this come from? I myself have been digging into a lot of the DOOM lore for my own powerscaling and I don't recall that.

 

[Hellbeast]

Wasn't there that statement that having two Primevals will destabilize a realm?

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Wasn't there that statement that having two Primevals will destabilize a realm?

No. There is nothing about destabilization when it comes to Primevals.

 

[Hellbeast]

I swear it was quoted above

If I recall it said something to the effect one universe can't sustain multiple Primevals and it didn't seem to mention combat at all in the quotation.

The means of immortality for the Slayer is empowering him with a piece of Davoth. This is like asking "Why can't Davoth make everyone a Primeval?"; because a universe can't contain the strength of multiple of them, they are not sustaining their universe and it can exist without them, but their strength is just too great for a universe to have multiple of them.

-Shadow Who Walks

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

I swear it was quoted above

If I recall it said something to the effect one universe can't sustain multiple Primevals and it didn't seem to mention combat at all in the quotation.

There's likely a statement saying that the realm will be destroyed by just having two Primevals in it, you're likely mistaking it as that.

Trust me I looked. Not even the DOOM wiki has anything on it from the looks of things.

 

[Hellbeast]

There's likely a statement saying that the realm will be destroyed by just having two Primevals in it, you're likely mistaking it as that.

Trust me I looked. Not even the DOOM wiki has anything on it from the looks of things.

So why are we hearing about it because I know for a fact Shadow mentioned this was a thing

 

[Axxtentacle]

That's not a destabilization feat because 1 of them doesn't stabilize their realm.

 

[Axxtentacle]

So why are we hearing about it because I know for a fact Shadow mentioned this was a thing

Shadow isn't all-knowing, to be fair.

Stabilization isn't supported anywhere.

 

[Hellbeast]

I'm so confused because I swear someone provided that statement
IDK call it Mandela Effect

 

[Axxtentacle]

Probably Mandela Effect. You can probably just scroll through the thread.

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Ok I found this.
"Davoth was a Primeval, one of The Father's first gods, and of such strength that each realm could contain only one."

This is probably what you are thinking of. Other then that, that's it. Nothing about the realm going to shit when there is more then one Primeval inhabiting it. Not exactly sure how people looked at this and went "oh this is a destabilization feat", since this could mean a number of things.

 

[DarthSpiderr]

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[ShadowWhoWalks]

Mentioned in Book of the Seraphs Part 1:

In the same moment he brought forth Jekkad, The Father forged Davoth to steward the realm. Davoth was a Primeval, one of The Father's first gods, and of such strength that each realm could contain only one.

Note that this is attributed to their power/strength.
It has also been proven that a universe/realm can still exist with its Primeval dead.

 

[PavilVers]

I agree

 

[KieranH10]

I'm unsure about low 1-C, hell has been low 1-C before with that justication and it was deemed 2-B in the past.

With the new stuff I agree with 2-B to 2-A.

 

[DTG499]

Yeah I’ve read every single codex from the main campaign and both the dlcs I don’t recall seeing anything about destabilization.

 

[DTG499]

Also we need address this and it may lead to contention. But since doomboy factually has Davoth’s powers within him and he beat Davoth in battle. Him destroying the father’s orb must fit into all of this scaling.

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

I'm alright with Low 1-C, there is a good bit of stuff supporting Hell being 5-D apart from it being unlimited by the boundaries of space, time and dimension. But the Tier 2 stuff is also alright.

Should have been 1-A instead

 

[Axxtentacle]

Him destroying the Father’s Orb is questionable for scaling honestly.

 

[MicDaniel]

Him destroying the Father’s Orb is questionable for scaling honestly.

In all fairness there isn't anything suggesting that anybody could destroy a life sphere. Plus the sphere itself would have to be pretty durable and complex in structure to contain the spirit of either the Father or Davoth.