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i mean hugo implied in the most recent interview he had that slayer may have been a threat to davoth the moment the divinity machine happened
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Doom Eternal - The Ancient Gods - Part Two CRT (Spoilers Ahead)
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That was also after a significantly long period of time, though.
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We know for a fact the gap between eternal and TAG is not billions, it’s most likely just a couple years.
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so should davoth get a tier 7 key, as suggested by ovens?
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I was talking about The Champion. Your scaling means The Champion is tier 2.
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Ok, why exactly do you think going off his train of thought The Champion would be Tier 2?
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They're arguing that the Slayer was tier 2 significantly before the 2 games, some even arguing right out of the Divinity Machine.
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And I don't think the Icon is tier 2 physically. It MAY be a possible explanation via the universal energy system but the Icon's attacks are explicitly not shown to be that, and it's only a threat because it's passive reality warping is going to destroy everything.
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Anyway, what about ovens proposal for tier 7 key for davoth
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Reactive Power Level
It’s been the explanation for his jumps in strength in the past and is consistent with the challenges he faces. Why wouldn’t this apply here?
It’s been the explanation for his jumps in strength in the past and is consistent with the challenges he faces. Why wouldn’t this apply here?
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Based on Prime Titan > Icon Of Sin ?
Also "Icon's attacks can't be that strong because Area of Effect" isn't going to fly, by that Slayer is Tier 8 then, it's not really a factor as AP doesn't depend on Range/AoE
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I wasn't talking about AOE. I was saying that narratively, it literally does not make sense for the Icon at that point to be that strong. It doesn't matter if you think it makes the jump "easier to understand", it doesn't work within the story.
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its the fact that his black hole through reality warping wouldn't make much sense what so ever
like you could make and argument that the slayer took all the argent energy that was put into making said black hole into himself and emped himself up to low 2-C
but that still would be enough to explain the gap between low 2-C and 2-A as you know there is a transinfinite distance between the two
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Sorry but it does make sense to some characters be that strong. The Slayer came out from the Divinity Machine billion of years ago and apparently was stated to be a risk to Davoth since then. We are not trying to mke 2-B Slayer "easier to understand" but more consistent with the series and overall timeskips between games, using the Universal Energy System for Icon not only makes sense since his source is Argent but also is consistent with its duty and scalling to earlier versions of the Slayer shows why he was the risk to Davoth since his upgrade (Wasn't as powerful, but still strong and going stronger). The only counter for this at the moment is either "doesn't make sense them being this strong" and AoE falacy, both don't work for me
Afaik only scales to Prime Titan, Icon and Khan Maykr I guess
Also, I don't think t's necessary to leave a Tier 7 for Slayer and the 2-B/2-A stuff be only a possibly, the feats are very clear
Afaik only scales to Prime Titan, Icon and Khan Maykr I guess
Also, I don't think t's necessary to leave a Tier 7 for Slayer and the 2-B/2-A stuff be only a possibly, the feats are very clear
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All demons are filled by one energy source so it would stand to reason that the icon used his own energy source to make the black hole and he would still have to be able to tank his own attack on the universe.
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Still better than from 7-B to 2-A
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A bit out of topic, but I think Doomboi might be one of the weakest 2-B/2-As, trying to find a good battle but it isn't that easy
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That doesn’t make sense whatsoever.
The Icon was a threat because after he grew stronger he would absorb the universe with him. Keyword is grow stronger. The issue is he never did, and the slayer stopped him before he could.
Having the Icon be 2-B defeats the purpose of him getting stronger if he was multiversal from the start. The slayer should not be 2-B either for this reason.
Just “being a threat” to davoth means nothing, considering he was stuck being incorporeal for a good few games. This just means that he was pretty much unstoppable to any forces Davoth would throw at him and when the time came where they would have to face each other, the slayer would have grown powerful enough to fight him.
The Icon was a threat because after he grew stronger he would absorb the universe with him. Keyword is grow stronger. The issue is he never did, and the slayer stopped him before he could.
Having the Icon be 2-B defeats the purpose of him getting stronger if he was multiversal from the start. The slayer should not be 2-B either for this reason.
Just “being a threat” to davoth means nothing, considering he was stuck being incorporeal for a good few games. This just means that he was pretty much unstoppable to any forces Davoth would throw at him and when the time came where they would have to face each other, the slayer would have grown powerful enough to fight him.
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I'm not arguing for 2-B Icon anyway, dunno why you put this here
I think we should wait to see exactly the statement, if it is directly tied to Davoth or his forces, but one way or the other, Icon's High 3-A to Low 2-C feat scalling to his physicals doesn't completely depend on this, but on universal energy system at first
The statement is currently accepted since his profile is using it, you have issues with that, I guess
One of the feats, which is breaking down space and time, isn't really related to his growth in power, for example
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my b.
We need proof that he actually did however. It could just be what the Icon was designed to do.
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Maybe it was me who wasn't clear enough
The Warping stuff actually happened, the Black Hole I guess it didn't since, well, our universe still is there
The Icon's presence warps reality, damaging the intricate order of our dimension merely by existing within it. If the Icon is allowed to remain unchecked it would lead to the total devastation of Earth, followed by a breakdown of spacetime around the planet. The resulting black hole will eventually drag our entire universe down, casting it into the mouth of Hell as a conquest to be absorbed by the Dark Realm.
He even damages it by existing, with Argent being his energy source
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Yes. But he's not at that level physically, that's pretty clear. The Icon is just the exception in this case.
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The exception because of what exactly ? I don't see why it's so clear to dismiss that
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That’s not a clear cut case
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Derail, but it would be cool if someone made a cosmology blog for DOOM.
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Because the Doom Slayer gets 2-B for fighting and killing a 2-B. The Icon would be getting low 2-C for something he hasn't done yet.
If you want to push that, you can push idk, "possibly will become 3-A" or whatever. I still don't like it, but sure.
If you want to push that, you can push idk, "possibly will become 3-A" or whatever. I still don't like it, but sure.
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Also, why is the Icon "High 3-A" with black holes? If that isn't sourced, it needs to be sourced.
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I have that question aswell, maybe the Universe is Infinite ? I don't remember such statement
Anyway, the Black Hold stuff indeed WAS GOING to happen, but Icon still warped and damaged reality across our Dimension via existence alone, that's 3-A (Unless the Universe is indeed Infinite)
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Well, not necessarily. It didn't really do anything while it was there, the Doom Slayer stopped it before it did.
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No, the statement is very clear that it's was done via his existence alone, independant on his power growth
The Icon's presence warps reality, damaging the intricate order of our dimension merely by existing within it.
Only after this the statement start talking about his power growth consequences
The Icon's presence warps reality, damaging the intricate order of our dimension merely by existing within it.
Only after this the statement start talking about his power growth consequences
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Yes. Independent on his power growth. It didn't happen yet, therefore "will eventually become (insert tier here)" is the best option.
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Why "will eventually" when the statement says the Reality stuff is happening and via his existence alone ?
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You’re not understanding.
It has not happened yet, and if it will happen over time, then we can not fully scale him to something that has not happened yet. His existence causes it OVER TIME.
It has not happened yet, and if it will happen over time, then we can not fully scale him to something that has not happened yet. His existence causes it OVER TIME.
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Again the how he got to that point was never specified by you. Us saying the icon aided his path to becoming 2-B would make sense.
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