Doom Eternal - The Ancient Gods - Part Two CRT (Spoilers Ahead)

[Antvasima]

So have you reached any conclusions here yet?

 

[DTG499]

Wait, I thought we agreed on TAG as At least 2-B, possibly 2-A. Or is that only for Davoth?

I’m fine with that too

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

I think we should just go with the TAG key just having the Tier 2 stuff in it and leave out the Tier 7 scaling, going off what DDM said above.

Yeah, Slayer's strongest key shouldn't be downscaled to any of his weaker keys.

 

[DTG499]

TAG key for at least 2-B, possibly 2-A. Does everyone agree with that?

Just type “I agree”

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

I agree

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I agree

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I agree

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

I agree

 

[Hellbeast]

The Doom Slayer was constantly growing in power.

For he alone could draw strength from his fallen foes, and ever his power grew, swift and unrelenting. ~Slayer's Testament IV

For as he gains in strength so do they fall in numbers. ~Dr. Elena Richardson Log IV

When the Doom Slayer approaches the Dark Lord's Life Sphere, the Dark Lord states "You feel you are prepared now, for this...",
implying that the Doom Slayer previously did not feel prepared to fight the Davoth.

In fairness he might just not have known about Davoth
We know there have been many Lords of Hell and its possible Slayer killed a few in his eons

There could be an answer when Hugo gives his livestream

There is a timeskip between Eternal and The Ancient Gods, indicated by Hell's invasion of Earth ending by ARC Data entry #098, but ARC has made many data entries reaching #666 by the time of The Ancient Gods. For all we know, the Doom Slayer dedicated that time to power up against Davoth.

Do we have any idea of how long said timeskip was? It could help give us an idea of how Slayer's amps actually work

So far we are going with the compromise of "At least Low 7-B, possibly/likely 2-B to 2-A". Wouldn't be against ditching the Tier 7 in an other CRT.

I'd prefer X Tier (since I'm fond of nuking Tier 7 myself), likely far higher (Contains a fragment of Davoth's power through the Divinity Machine)

 

[Hellbeast]

well technicly would it be "possibly much higher" for both doom 2016 and eternal
the reasoning for the much high can be (when he was put into the divinity machine, a shard of davoth was fused with him, but it's unknown if he had it's full power at this time)

I definitely think this is the best case scenario
It's notable he has a shard of the Dark Lord but we should prioritize the feats we observe him doing

Haven't multiple people gone through the divinity machine?

I believe that was how the Marauders got revived yeah (fuzzy tho)

All we know is what we've got actual feats for, Doomguy doesn't directly have a tier 2 feat until TAG2, so it should be another key.

I definitely agree with putting that in the TAG 2 key (maybe we could put a note?)

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody write a list of the staff members that have responded in this thread, along with what they agree and disagree with?

 

[DTG499]

I believe that was how the Marauders got revived yeah (fuzzy tho)

It was stated that the energy of the machine was reversed into doomguy when he entered and in all other cases it was the opposite.

 

[DTG499]

Can somebody write a list of the staff members that have responded in this thread, along with what they agree and disagree with?

I know sir ovens and firestorm agree with tier 2 slayer. Weekly disagrees with tier 2 slayer. Not sure what AKM and dark dragon think about tier 2 slayer.

 

[Antvasima]

I know sir ovens and firestorm agree with tier 2 slayer. Weekly disagrees with tier 2 slayer. Not sure what AKM and dark dragon think about tier 2 slayer.

Okay. Thank you.

@DarkDragonMedeus @AKM sama

Can you clarify what you think here please?

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

DDM and AKM agreed with Oven's suggestion. So I guess they are ok with Tier 2 Slayer?

 

[PavilVers]

Okay? Cool, now show that the creation scales to physicals. Thats whatthis entire argument boils down to. Im not saying the tier 2 feats arent there btw its litrally justan issue of whether they scale to physicals which there hasnt been any evidence provided for

Evidence? Hm. And the fact that Davoth here literally can survive the creation of the creation, even taking into account that if he created them one by one. Damn it, he transformed Hell with one of his outbursts of rage, as described in the codex TAG 1 and TAG 2. This shows its power. And given such power, he could create/change/destroy lvl 2-B realms without any consequences for himself. This gives him Durability 2-B. Slayer could also beat him up.

 

[Shmooply]

Evidence? Hm. And the fact that Davoth here literally can survive the creation of the creation, even taking into account that if he created them one by one. Damn it, he transformed Hell with one of his outbursts of rage, as described in the codex TAG 1 and TAG 2. This shows its power. And given such power, he could create/change/destroy lvl 2-B realms without any consequences for himself. This gives him Durability 2-B. Slayer could also beat him up.

This debate already ended, you don't need to bring it back up.

 

[Axxtentacle]

We've already been through all of the debates. We're just deciding the wording of what happens now.

For the record: Oven's suggestion is "At least low 7-B, possibly 2-B to 2-A". This is what is being attempted to apply.

 

[DTG499]

I’m fine with either but people voted for just the at least 2-B, possibly 2-A

 

[Sir_sun_man]

I rather have ovens proposal so everyone is happy

but at least 2B possibly 2-A is pretty good too

 

[Axxtentacle]

Staff have accepted Oven's proposal. Let's just move this along already. I don't want this to keep going.

 

[DTG499]

Alright

 

[Shmooply]

I know this has already concluded, but...

Thoughts?

 

[KieranH10]

That's not really what were proposing tbh, he gets possibly 2-A through the cosmology being possibly 2-A, not that he could be stronger.

 

[Shmooply]

That's not really what were proposing tbh, he gets possibly 2-A through the cosmology being possibly 2-A, not that he could be stronger.

Understandable.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, I mentioned agreeing with Oven's suggestion.

 

[DTG499]

Alight no further objections?

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

A bit late, but I agree with Oven's proposal

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

So a conclusion was reached?

 

[Axxtentacle]

Oven's proposal of "At least low 7-B, possibly 2-B to 2-A" has been accepted.

 

[DTG499]

Hold on guys we need to watch this

 

[Axxtentacle]

Dude. Take it to the Doom Discussion thread. This isn't the place.

 

[DTG499]

So Davoth and Doomguy both look exactly the same because they are both primevals

 

[DTG499]

Dude. Take it to the Doom Discussion thread. This isn't the place.

It had information about the scaling of doomguy, Davoth, the sentinels and demons. It’s not meant for discussion it will help the crt.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Actually, I think that video is bringing up more back up information that appears the possible Tier 2 upgrades might be plausible, but I still think it might be best to lean towards what Ovens proposed.

 

[Axxtentacle]

If we want to do a full out tier 2 scaling thing done, we can do that later. For now, stick to Oven's proposal and we're done.

Wasn't there abilities and such for demons that weren't fully accepted yet or what? Not everything about them is crossed out in the OP.

 

[Firestorm808]

Okay. I'll make the profile draft later today.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

They are not crossed out because they don't have a profile yet, but the abilities are uncontroversial.

So we wait until the sandbox is finished?

 

[Cyberblader90]

I will say that interview does have some juicy stuff

Takes away the whole complaint of "why didn't davoth do multi stuff in his boss fight"

Budget limitations and time constraints

 

[Axxtentacle]

They are not crossed out because they don't have a profile yet, but the abilities are uncontroversial.

So we wait until the sandbox is finished?

Ah. I see.

Okay. I'll make the profile draft later today.

Kieran already has a Davoth blog in the works, he just needed this CRT to be able to complete it.